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[–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

But how goods betting on sports?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Is this social media under-16 ban going to be a problem for aussie.zone?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Who: Yes, Aussie zone appears to fit the definition of a social media site.

    What: "A provider of an age-restricted social media platform must take reasonable steps to prevent age-restricted users having accounts with the age-restricted social media platform." Details are a bit scarce on "reasonable steps". There's a bit about how we are not to collect Government ID details though.

    When: Presently December 10, 2025 but the bill is worded such that they are prepared to shift it.

    Why: Protect the kiddies from the evils of the site. By the way, if you spot any actual bad content please report it.

    How: and now we get to the big question. I truly don't see how you'd enforce this on Lemmy. Even if a perfect system were introduced to verify everyone's ages somehow, nothing stops people from shifting to a non-australian instance and just keep using the site. Or just spinning up their own private instance at home. Lemmy federation works a bit like email - imagine trying to stop kids from being able to access email. Again, I just don't see how you'd accomplish that.


    So, we're doing what the government is doing. Keeping an eye on things and waiting to see how the big players respond. I'd love to see Facebook or YouTube to just go 'nup' and withdraw from the market. The public backlash would be insane and this bill would quickly vanish. People are asleep on this thing because they don't really see it affecting them. Yet.

    The UK has just introduced an age verification thingy, and it's off to a poor start. The words are nice, but putting them into action is not trivial.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    nothing stops people from shifting to a non-australian instance and just keep using the site

    We get to keep using the site AND traffic costs decrease for aussie.zone. Win-win!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    email is allowed and read only access is allowed, so if someone makes an email based posting/commenting frontend for lemmy you could host that and disable lemmy-ui /jk

    actually if you just disable lemmy-ui and keep hosting the backend, can you just tell the users to use other frontends to access the site? surely API access is fine?

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    "Angry American that profits from promoting US companies that make trillions from gathering personal data, attacks Australia, calling the country stupid for attempting to protect it's children from said companies"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Will anonymous access still be allowed? I remember there was some vague wording about logged in vs logged out in terms of search engines, which seemed to suggest that only logged in users would be affected. Presumably there would still be age-gated content, though, which historically required a login. Hopefully that doesn't expand if that's the case.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    so this is a far cry from the “ban” it has been hysterically portrayed as in the media.

    I agree the media reporting has not been great, but my concern is more about slippery slope type effects where this will be extended to cover more and more sites. Some would argue that "slippery slope" arguments are fallacious, but I think there is a point here, especially when laws that can be argued to "protect children" are hard to roll back due to the political risk (and are easy to expand for the same reason).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I’m going to lose access to my playlists and have a hard time finding rare versions again or song titles that are hard to search.

    Random things also can get flagged as mature

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Cool thanks. I’ll check it out

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  • 15 comments in c/DeclineIntoCensorship@lemmy.dbzer0.com view that post
    [–] -1 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Sounds like a good idea tbh ;)

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Invading the privacy of every adult who uses YouTube is a.. good idea?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    It sounds like a terrible idea. You should talk to Google about it.

    Did you know they make you have an account and then tie that account to literally everything else you've ever done?

    Youtube may be the one place where age verification is actually practical with zero additional effort. They probably have a very good guess for every user on the platform from Google's account history alone, not to mention they probably have some payment method associated to a whole bunch of accounts already.

    I approve of this if only for the dramatic irony of the whole thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    You think people that use YouTube have privacy?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Privacy is a spectrum, there are ways to improve or worsen it on basically every website. The implementation of a system like this matters a lot; requiring the sites to collect and store IDs like they've been doing in the UK dramatically worsens user privacy with no upside.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Do you think YouTube/Google don't store all of your data, your IP address and follow you around the internet collecting more information?

    I don't dispute that the UK are going about it all wrong, but in the spectrum of privacy that you speak of, I believe using Googles platforms comes with its own issues. It may even make people take notice and be more careful of what platforms they use.

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  • "Invasion of Privacy" while talking about Google/YouTube. Riiiiight.

    Just to be clear. I don't think kids should be on YouTube, let alone the Internet at large without proper parental supervision and when parental supervision isn't available they have 0 access to it. Full stop.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I think the negative consequences will outweigh any perceived benefits.

    Adolescents will either find their way around it or move to another less policed platform. Either way, then end result is less censorship than before.

    Even if it could work, the verification process will come with a non-inconsequential cost to privacy of adults.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Only if we let big companies dictate the terms. YouTube, Facebook etc talk about how moderation is too expensive, but make billions in profit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I’m sorry, but that’s absurd. Pointing out a policy has flaws doesn’t mean that I must support problem it attempts to solve. There’s more shades than black & white, my friend.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Age verification and vpns, like uk laws, are t the in,y way to solve these problems. Fines for the companies hosting damaging content, rather than a free pass would be a good first step.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The UK laws are even worse. All they are achieving is creating a barrier that is too high for smaller services to reach. If you want to consolidate the internet into just a few services like facebook (who can afford the infrastructure to satisfy the new requirements), then I could not think of a more effective way to achieve it. Predictably, we are now seeing smaller services geo blocking the entire UK, because conforming is simply not a viable option. Oh and children have already foiled it on the larger established services.

    We all understand what these laws are trying to accomplish, and I appreciate your reasons for supporting it. But as I said, I’m not convinced they will actually do what they intend, and having once been a teenager, I have a strong belief that it will push their online activity underground.

    I do agree with you that fines for damaging content would be a good first step. But that’s not what people are concerned about here, and if the law stopped there it would be a nothing burger.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    There is a problem with the Internet as it stands. Social media is a big part of that. Not holding people and corporations responsible for their actions is a big part of that. For companies we allow them to post content from 'users' but don't hold them responsible for the content. This is despite the fact that they purposely magnify the engaging, controversial and emotive content.

    Keeping kids safe means ensuring they only see content that is approved. It's a very fixable problem. It just costs time and money to fix. Parents could have to approve what is suggested to their kids.

    Some content could be moderated, responsibly, like on tv. Especially any content that is monetised. On fact, any monetised content should be subject to the same rules as tv or similar, for both the platform and the publisher. That would fix a lot.

    I have kids. They use YouTube kids. I worry that it will show them inappropriate content. As a parent it is difficult to control their playlist as it offers different suggestions after each. So unless you watch with them or check every 5 minutes, it's not doable. Doubly so with more than one kid on a seperate device.

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  • 13 comments in c/technology@beehaw.org view that post
    [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Plans To Ban Kids From Watching YouTube

    As well as:

    https://www.npr.org/2024/11/28/g-s1-36142/australia-social-media-ban-children

    The law will make platforms including TikTok, Facebook, Snapchat, Reddit, X and Instagram liable for fines of up to 50 million Australian dollars ($33 million) for systemic failures to prevent children younger than 16 from holding accounts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Amendment

    It sounds like, from my quick skim, that their criteria would also apply to the Threadiverse, as I don't see any sort of userbase size or revenue restrictions on their definition of its scope. Here's the bill text:

    (1) For the purposes of this Act, age-restricted social media platform means:
    (a) an electronic service that satisfies the following conditions:
    (i) the sole purpose, or a significant purpose, of the service is to enable online social interaction between 2 or more end-users;
    (ii) the service allows end-users to link to, or interact with, some or all of the other end-users;
    (iii) the service allows end-users to post material on the service;
    (iv) such other conditions (if any) as are set out in the legislative rules; or
    (b) an electronic service specified in the legislative rules;but does not include a service mentioned in subsection (6).
    Note 1: Online social interaction does not include (for example) online business interaction.
    Note 2: An age-restricted social media platform may be, but is not necessarily, a social media service under section 13.19
    Note 3: For specification by class, see subsection 13(3) of the Legislation Act 2003.

    Subsection (6):

    (6) An electronic service is not an age-restricted social media platform if:
    (a) none of the material on the service is accessible to, or delivered to, one or more end-users in Australia; or
    (b) the service is specified in the legislative rules.

    I'm sure that there will be more discussion on this that will probably clarify it.

    For the moment, I'm pretty confident based on past case law that the US legal system won't consider a US-based Threadiverse instance that isn't actively doing something like advertising to users specifically in Australia or selling products to Australia to be within the legal jurisdiction of Australia, as it won't be doing business in Australia, so the US legal system will not enforce Australian law against it. Australia might block a node but shouldn't be able to fine someone, so blacklisting Australian IP addresses or the like probably isn't necessary. One notable issue: I don't know off the top of my head whether instances accepting donations from Australian users could be affected.

    I don't know what the EU's position on Internet jurisdiction is.

    That might be a much more substantial problem for Australia-based instances, like


    to name one that comes to mind


    aussie.zone.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't agree with a total ban, but the writers of the article downplaying the harmful content on YouTube I think have forgotten the multiple times YouTube has gotten in trouble with advertisers for shit like "elsagate" where they were showing mutilation etc. of Disney characters targeted at children.

    There needed to be some kind of regulation, but an outright ban is a bit much.

    This feels like they're trying to drive a tack with a sledgehammer.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago*

    I visited a friend, their 4 year old was watching YouTube on a tablet

    At some point I sat next to him to see what he was watching, It was a cartoon where the one character looks evil and has long claws, catches another, stabs it with its long claws, cuts its head off, holds its corpse about it and drinks litres of blood gushing out. Then gains an aura, pupils dilate and sprouts wings and flies into the sky to attack more creatures.

    This wasn't some Anime, it's a kids cartoon made for very young kids.

    I started watching happy tree friends etc. when I was like 13, but what the fuck this is next level.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    16 is definitely extreme, but having gone to war with YouTube's junk to small kids and finding out there's no preventing them falling down some junk rabbit hole, I'm pretty cool with it up to about 12.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    They've been a Murdoch-influenced cesspool politically for years now, this is par for the course for them; just more social control by the government under the guise of protecting kids.

    Gotta stop kids from learning about the wider world until they've had their worldview shaped to their regressive government's liking.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    A little bit over dramatic...

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Another country bringing age verification.

    I wonder why they lock on youtube and ignore Facebook, Instagram, tiktok, etc.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Not that I'm for any bans on social media

    i can see why from my personal experience. Even back in like 2014 I viewed YouTube as home to crackpot conspiracy theorists because of friend's I'd seen go down YouTube rabbit holes and pretty much go crazy. Facebook and YouTube. Facebook was home to stupid image macros of stupid conspiracy theories. YouTube for crazy hyper edited conspiracy nut videos. YouTube where someone wants your email or number so they can send you a video you should watch and you learn the person you met is crazy

    To this day other social media platforms have cycled in and out as conspiracy theorist and school shooters favorite platform while YouTube has never cycled out since it enabled anyone to upload video

    Instagram has always been the self hate/image problems/terrible life planning thinking life after your 20s is over then a person gets to 30 and realize they actually want to have happy next 30 years too and they shouldn't have spent all their money and time chasing dreams they made each day watching other people on Instagram. 6th graders with skin care routines and wanting to show off a lavish lifestyle at like 11 years old, that's Instagram. Also short form Instagram get rich quick schemes and stupid harmful challenges are just as bad of a problem on Instagram and YouTube as they are on TikTok. Before those terrible challenges was based out of Twitter+YouTube.

    Twitters it's own weird trending towards underworld now rather than mainstream. Maybe it's like a far less popular Facebook where it's becoming more and more for old people but people don't view it as a basic social media to keep in basic touch with distant people like Facebook

    YouTube and Instagram are the worst to me. Facebook used to be worse than Instagram and YouTube but YouTube and Instagram have gotten more important and worse while Facebook has become less important over time while probably being just as bad as before

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago

    pretty sure they don't, those last things are already (or will be?) banned for young people in Australia :(

    If I hadn't had the Internet growing up, I would have 0 (zero) positive memories of my preteen and teenage years. People who want to take that away from future generations are truly pure evil. I have no other words.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Huh? This is good news for the kids. I have seen too many kids sticking to their iPads all the time.

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  • They should ban cell phones and tablets for children. TikFok and other borderline idiotic media are unnecessary for the healthy development of a rational human being. Go outside more often!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I'm... furiously glad?

    Hurts big tech þat's become so enshittified it's unwatchable? Check!

    Age blocks and limiting teen freedom, which should be þe parent's jobs? Booo.

    I don't know wheþer to laugh, or cry. So I say to myself, "what's next, big sky?"

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  • 8 comments in c/technology@lemmy.zip view that post
    [–] 22 points 1 year ago*

    Hey, Youtube outright refuses to moderate hate content. Play stupid games...

    My concern is enforceability, much as with the ongoing porn bans. That and age verification online as a concept, which seems like a massive privacy issue that is still easily bypassed. Although honestly Google probably already knows your age if you're on Youtube, along with your shoe size and pooping schedule.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Should ban everyone from watching YouTube tbh

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Let’s see how this works out. Banning alcohol, cigarettes and other stuff works half of the time, so it seems healthy to me to try and block SoMe including jutub

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Mike Masnick writes with his agenda clear.

    The anger-driven drivel is ironic given how many times he refers to Australia as stupid. It's possibly the worst, most single sided article I've read in a long time, if not ever.

    Taking one perspective and running with it, even his single sightedness is narrow from the side he sits on.

    I presume he named the publication after the way he posts his agenda.. Pure dirt.

    Not a single mention of privacy issues other than age verification systems, which is fucking laughable. Fuck off Masnick with your bullshit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Idea is great. Unfortunately unenforceable, though. The oligarchical internet is bad for brains. If they could come up with a way to do it without stripping everyone’s right to privacy I’d be all for it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Stuff like this is why I prefer leftists over liberals

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  • 1 comment in c/australia@reddthat.com view that post

    So... How does one get to one of the alternate realities so often depicted in things like the Marvel movies? They've gotta be better than this quickly deteriorating shithole....

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