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[–] 156 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Last few months... Grifting has seriously accelerated

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Companies have been accelerating their grifting at an alarming rate since the COVID days

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  • [+] 132 points 1 year ago (12 children)
  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Did you tip when you wrote this comment?

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  • [+] 45 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This mf out here trying to swipe Visa or MasterCard in the stripper's butt crack.

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  • I wouldn't be surprised if there were at least one person on the planet with a card reader/simcard combo implanted in their buttcheek for those occasions. I'm also pretty sure that Visa/Mastercard would have no issues with that, but if it's a gaming storefront then they are "omg"-ing

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I've got a tip for you.

    (I'm referring to the tip of my penis.)

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  • [+] 96 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    [–] 203 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just had to do this a few weeks ago. They have you taken a pic of your driver's license, provide your SSN & run a credit check on the spot. Then they charge you to tour the place.

    A very "fuck you, I'm getting paid regardless" mentality from rental companies.

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  • [+] 63 points 1 year ago (24 children)
  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    I don't know if this applies in the US but multiple people can take out a mortgage against the same property. If you have 3/4 trustworthy friends then you can pool your money to buy a place. It's complicated but better to invest your money in your own property than to line the pockets of cunt landlords and letting agents.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    And bam, new laws come out that makes it illegal for more than X people who aren't related to each other to share a home.

    This is actually a thing in many places so people can't do what you just described, isn't American Freedumb so beautiful

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This is called tenency in common. I'm unaware of it being illegal in any states and a cursory search brought up nothing. Do you have any leads you can share?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I searched "illegal for more than X people who aren't related to each other to share a home" and came up with quite a bit.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I see it now. I'm looking at tenancy in common based on the original comment, you (and presumably the previous commenter) are talking about unrelated occupancy provisions. One is about co-owning, the other is about cohabitating.

    This is exactly why people DO use exact language, despite your utterly bizarre insistence otherwise - because those that don't confuse the rest of us with their shitty communication.

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  • "You no one use right word, too big. Use small normal word like me, me big big smart, good Google hunter. Me find many result. No end." Seralth reaches into his loincloth, scratches his scrotum, then vigorously snuffles at his fingertips, oblivious of the glob of spittle making its way down his dirt smeared chin.

    Yours has to be the most American comment I've seen this morning. BTW, you're literally using literally incorrectly.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    That would require people to have three to four close friends that could tolerate their presence. That's an exceedingly rare thing in the US as we're mostly all intolerable cunts.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Also, it would require every friend to have savings to put down a down payment and also credit good enough to actually qualify. That's on top of finding 3 or 4 friends you're willing to live with.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    4 people with 5k each can get almost 20% down on a 350k propery

    Do you think that 20% of $350k is about $20,000? I feel like I'm missing something important here .

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Maybe first-time home buyer programs? But those are like 3% typically so it wouldn't get you there and that's before including closing costs, moving costs, and possible repairs.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Not to mention 3 or 4 ppl that can and will reliably make mortgage payments for 15 or more likely 30 years. Once someone drops out because of life events then they'll want to be bought out by the next person which introduces a whole bunch of headaches. Having watched this exact thing play out, this will most likely turn into a bitter nightmare of endless paperwork and some ruined relationships.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Co-ownership is kind of a horrible idea overall. What happens when one of the 4 people wants to use the property as collateral for a loan?

    Not to mention that this promotes increase in property costs without fixing the issue. If the norm is to continue pooling money between individuals then real estate can continue to raise prices. Then you just need 6 friends 10 friends 14 friends etc. we need a market crash and we need corporate residential ownership to be heavily regulated.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    wants to use the property as collateral for the loan

    Nothing major honestly. If they default, they would lose their stake in the claim. Since they don’t own the entire house, the bank couldn’t foreclose but they could assume ownership of their portion of the loan. The bank would view it more like a financial instrument rather than a real property.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    From experience, basically no banks take collateral on co-owned homes. You probably won’t run into problems like that specifically. You can also easily structure an agreement with a lawyer. In many states you have to have an attorney to buy a home anyway (CT, MA, GA, DE, KY, LA, MD, MI, NH, ND, OK, RI, VT, WV, WO). We used ours to write and tack on the equivalent of an HOA arrangement you’d see in a condominium for our shared rooms.

    I do find it amusing we have redditors arguing landlords should be illegal and others arguing co-ownership is a bad idea. Yes, let’s build millions of single room houses for everyone who is single that span the entire continent.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Create a trust instead.

    Contact an attorney to draft a trust where you all share equity at an amount you all agree to. The terms of the trust should indicate how someone sells their interest and what happens upon default, etc.

    The trust buys the property and owns it. Ownership is managed through the trust.

    The hardest part is qualifying for a loan. You're essentially operating as a business and most home loans are designed for people and couples.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I’m not 100% certain what our attorney did to structure our trust but we were able to do this without the trust having to buy the house itself and still could utilize a CRA loan program loan from a traditional bank and avoid PMI at a lower down payment.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This has gotta be some NYC shit

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    In a region near me the rental market is 99.3% full.

    Scumbag landlords charge $200 to view these horrid places no one will ever rent, and their job is showing people the place, one after another. It's only a half-dozen a day, but that's a good wage and there's no end of hopefuls. Apparently, needing a landlord to come out to show you the place is a "call-out", even if he's just upstairs.

    Of course that's the "frbo" market; the rental companies can't get away with that yet. They wish, though.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well if you have 5 vacant units artificial scarcity is pretty easy to achieve by only putting one to market at a time.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ding ding ding

    The same is done with commercial property too. Holding out (or more correctly, withholding a property entirely) vacant for X months is more profitable overall as it keeps the supply low for office/light industrial space, driving the same demand to fewer units until ✨ a newly renovated unit ✨ is available on the market.

    Until X months inoccupancy exceeds the profit of Y units generating Z extracted profit each, they come out ahead. And not even ‘we covered the mortgage and local tax’ ahead of break even, but the potential earnings if all were listed and rented.

    They literally make more money keeping housing vacant. And that needs to change.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    In a region near me the rental market is 99.3% full.

    I hear that from every landlord in every market, whether the economy is booming or shrinking and people are coming or going.

    I have never been quoted an occupancy rate less than 90%. I've been in buildings under construction and heard "Yes, we've already leased most of our units! You're getting the last ones! So lucky!"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Wait so the people who refuse to go with those big companies (aren’t there principled folks like that, maybe they have a name I’m forgetting) have to deal with that instead?

    It was like people who have to pay some fee I thought… searches oh it’s the no broker fee people. So do no broker fee ppl often pay viewing fees? And viewing fees are legal?

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  • [–] 87 points 1 year ago* (21 children)

    Rents are too high for a single income to cover anymore, so I’ve been looking for roommates. Even the websites about finding roommates expect you to pay.

    To be clear, they have a free tier - but unless you pay, you can’t read the messages you receive. You can read the first line, but the rest is locked. I gave up with one place because the boomer trying to rent a room refused to send me an email. I told him three times to please just email me his message because I couldn’t read it on the site, but because he could read messages fine, he thought it was a setting he had to change. He kept responding with “Okay try now” and didn’t seem to understand that he can’t “settings” other people out from behind a paywall.

    All he had to do was copy/paste his message and send it a different way, but he wouldn’t do it. I eventually gave up because the thought of living with someone that’s unable to follow such simple directions sounds like more trouble than it’s worth.

    Anyway, point is, even if you’re so poor that you need to seek out roommates, you’re still expected to pay a subscription. I don’t even know what to do anymore.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Sounds like a market ready for disruption

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Isn’t this what Craigslist is for?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I’ve had decent luck with CL in the past for rentals, but understand that it’s generally: an illegal listing (eg no windows or the like for fire egress), sex traffickers targeting desperate women, or scammers - and you need to be able to jump on the legit leads ASAP.

    But yes as a renter, sifting through Craigslist was vastly preferable to paying whatever some private equity firm decided “market rates” are (we are the market, teehee 🤭) for a hovel in a 1+5 complex, or dealing with the myriad of cutouts that paywall listings or communications like the OP.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    If you were replying with an email address odds are he was not getting it due to the site actively trying to keep people on their site.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago*

    Absolutely. A site charging to read messages will most definitely censor out emails and phone numbers and will have it in their ToS that you're not allowed to take conversations outside the platform.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Probably. Not much I can do. I’m not paying for a subscription. If anyone has any advice for finding roommates otherwise, I would very much appreciate it!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    Why did people stop using craigslist to advertise rentals?

    It is just the old bulletin board / classified newspaper niche, usually there’s more than one venue in urban areas. In a lot of Canada people also use kijiji etc. I am not including fb marketplace in that, though if you can access Meta websites, too many people still use that.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Scammers go to fb marketplace over Craigslist because meta is slow to react if at all, while Craigslist is known to easily and freely offer information to law enforcement.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yes, friends don't let friends use Meta products.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Seriously, could get you stabbed in a police station parking lot or something...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That is a possibility with nearly any classified listing and always has been.

    Situational awareness and good street sense are necessary. Bring a friend or be as public as you can, etc.

    Most online scams, including phishing and tech support scams, are variations on ancient techniques.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Thank you so much! Craigslist is something I had completely forgotten about. I dropped off Facebook years ago and unfortunately don't live in Canada, but Craigslist is a great suggestion and I'm perusing it now. You may have just saved me from living in my car (again.)

    Seriously, thank you!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    A client at work which is a local property management company (big enough to have 2 part time employees and one full time property maanger) lists all of their properties on Craigslist as well as many more commercial sites, so it's not just mom and pops on there

    Edit: another option is to call up a given property during business hours to ask about availability. Chances are your call will go to the property management company and they'll have more properties than just the one building you saw the number on

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    What is this app actually called? I can't id it from screenshot, and every comment here seems to be talking about it without actually naming it.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Do the unlimited and have constant tours for all 30 days. Get friends to individually do the same. Pester the ever living fuck out of them.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago

    See, you pay us for the privilege of being considered as a candidate to pay us.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Why would they sell/rent when they make so much money on tours?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    The idea is proably just to filter out people who aren't serious / not gonna show up.

    I can't imgine it's about the money

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Its common to pay a down payment to hold a rental, this is just a shittier version of that.

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