cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/5763205

One is attached to the International Space Station, and the other is collecting data as a stand-alone satellite. The latter would meet its permanent demise after burning up in the atmosphere if the mission were to be terminated.

A 2023 review by NASA concluded that the data they'd been providing had been "of exceptionally high quality."

The observatories provide detailed carbon dioxide measurements across various locations, allowing scientists to get a detailed glimpse of how human activity is affecting greenhouse gas emissions.

(Ex NASA employee) David Crisp said it "makes no economic sense to terminate NASA missions that are returning incredibly valuable data," pointing out it costs only $15 million per year to maintain both observatories, a tiny fraction of the agency's $25.4 billion budget.

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[–] 75 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Complete brain damage in charge. It is one thing to suppress uncomfortable data not supporting your ideological narrative, but it is outright stupidity to not only not collect that data and keep it under wraps; but to destroy the data collection device you own and control.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    We spent around $1B to develop and launch OCO 1 (failed launch), 2, and 3 combined. Continued operations of OCO 2 and 3 cost about $15M per year in total. Destroying them would be like destroying a skyscraper that is a few years old and costs $15M in annual maintenance. That would be a very cheap building to maintain I'm guessing.

    Once on orbit, satellite are extremely cheap and it is our best interests to keep them alive as long as possible.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not to mention that the money spent isn’t being shot into space. It’s paying for very smart folks to spend in their local communities doing helpful work.

    Do you want people with knowledge of orbital mechanics and operating spacecraft on the open job market? Who do you think will employ them?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Who do you think will employ them?

    Normally I'd say Spectre, Gru, M.A.D, etc. but I think they've all disbanded as they now have US cabinet posts. I guess they should emigrate to Canada or Mexico and help prepare to defend themselves from the inevitable "security visit" that will start to happen.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If nothing else they could just leave it be

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Being that they're in low earth orbit, they do require some human intervention for station keeping. They also need to monitor the orbits and move the satellite at times to avoid collisions with debris. Lastly, they need to monitor for anomalies so that, if something does go wrong, they can safely dispose of the satellite before the satellite itself becomes another piece of debris.

    That, plus data collection and dissipation are the reason the satellites cost $15M/year to operate. The administration wants OCO2 deorbited. I'm not sure what they want done with OCO3 since it is attached to the ISS.

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    [–] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is our collective inheritance they are destroying. These data are irreplaceable, and its something they themselves could never do.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The regime is blatantly all-in on melting all the ice sheets

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Smells less like the old blunt ignorance and climate change denial, but actually destroying detailed proof of what happens in real time due to their inaction.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    They could just hand it over to ESA, hell they could even "sell" it

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    [–] 130 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Just give them a dummy button and play the clip of the death star blowing up or something. They aren't going to check to make sure it happened. Keep it sending the data just turn off the server side recording it then turn it back on when they inevitably forget about it in a couple weeks.

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  • [–] 201 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    (Ex NASA employee) David Crisp said it “makes no economic sense to terminate NASA missions that are returning incredibly valuable data,”

    Yes, but it makes perfect sabotage sense from a saboteur's perspective.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Democracies, that haven’t fallen, across the world will still collect this data, or build up to the point of being able to. Which means, the US plans to suppress those countries’ news and data too. Or, in other words, lock down the internet for their population like China does.

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  • [–] 80 points 1 year ago

    Tax payer here. Let's not

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Drop some other satellite and say it was this one. Trump won't be around forever.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They could probably just show him a video of some NASA employees knocking over one of those giant satellite dishes people used for TV in the 1980s and have him convinced.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Don't do it; not like they can destroy it without you!

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I mean, even though the ‘baddies’ are in power… refusing a directive/order like that would still be considered ‘treason’.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    Dear No Kings crowd, please march on Washington.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    NASA's budget. Is set. By CONGRESS.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    Trumps on the list. Anything he does and says is just a distraction from not releasing the list.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    They’ll be cutting off funding for the program as well. So why not… move it to Canada or Germany?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Trump is pressuring other countries to follow suit with his stupid bullshit, he would have a fit if somebody took it over

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He’s already had a fit with Canada. If his response continues to be to raise tariffs until all the affected sectors of the US economy just move to Canada to avoid them….

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The irony is that the MAGA slogan “America First” actually puts America behind other nations consistently. The irony behind the MAGA belief that Trump puts American workers first is that all his policies prioritize the interests of the very people they hate and want him to dismantle: the uber-rich “Elite.” MAGA voters are some of the dumbest, most gullible Americans in the country, and I personally think they simply vote for the politicians they do because said politicians fly the same bigotry flags they support: anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-racial-equality, etc. In other words, MAGA is basically just America’s bigots rallying under an “America First” banner, which is code for”straight, white Americans first.” So sad I know people who support this crap and don’t realize they’re falling in with the worst America has to offer.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    These people are seriously the dumbest. The other day I was told that "finally Trump is fixing this shit" and that "tariffs are the price for doing business" and that I "have to pay them and can no longer freeload by spending money on healthcare". Didn't get an answer when I asked if he even knows how tariffs work and why it could possibly be that USA spends more money on healthcare per capita than any other nation in the world

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm starting to think that maybe, just maybe, the rest of the world could unite and just remove USA from the map. Humanity might survive if it'd happen, but in the end, we all know we're going to burn together.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Humanity might survive if it’d happen

    You think the current president's contingency plan isn't to just nuke everywhere and everything?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Donny 2 Dolls is an enemy to humanity, and to children in particular.

    Release ALL the unredacted Epstein Files!!!!

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hey, wait a minute, wait a minute... I don't think you guys understand what this means, please don't blow up the domes.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Just don't.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Somewhat related, would be nice if they'd order Juno to be rerouted to check out interstellar comet 3I-Atlas, has to be done before the end of the month. Juno is slated to be deorbited into Jupiter in September so has no actual science left to do but probably enough fuel remaining for the rendesvous.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    It's a fantastic idea, really clever. But I'm afraid it's too late, it doesn't have the necessary Delta-V. We could have tried it if we had planned the mission a month ago, but at this point we just can't get there in time (We didn't know its trajectory a month ago, so it's a moot point). What it comes down to is this, to make a flyby it would need about 2.5k Delta V, Juno has about half that.

    Also, we're not confident Juno's engines will light. We've previously refrained from using them for some planned manners because we recorded abnormalities the last time they were fired. There's a decent chance engines would explode if used again.

    If we want to be able to take advantage of this kind of situation in the future, we'll need at least one of two things... More probes, just sitting around with more fuel to spare, or better detection abilities so we can find these objects with more time to get to them. I'm betting on the later approach.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    What kind of trajectory is that assuming? The closest approach of 3l-Atlas to Jupiter is in March and will be 54 million km away. Is this end of the month timing to get it off of Jupiter's orbit and closer to 3l-Atlas's orbit? How will it achieve the 61km/sec intercept speed of the comet?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    This would be a flyby, rather than orbiting, as that would take a lot more propellant. I'd assume they might use gravitational assist from Jupiter, but a more or less direct shot might be planned, not sure. 3I Atlas would be closest to Jupiter in early September, yes, coincidentally the same time Juno was expected to be deorbited. As far as achieving the velocity needed, there are some calculations yet to be done but apparently there could be enough propellant onboard to do it.

    I heard about the intercept idea through The Angry Astronaut's youtube but there was a Congresswoman and some professors pushing it too.

    (Angry Astronaut's recent video about an intercept mission) https://youtu.be/B6O7nuJcmpY

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    So not burning our tax money this time, exploding it. Thats Progress.

    Its all about appreciating the slightly less awful outcome.

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    [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    just crash land it right in the middle of his golf course

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I mean just don't do it. Turn it into a lengthy court battle that'll last long enough until these bastards are gone

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago*

    Just for reference:

    The Mussolini government was the longest-lasting government in the history of Italy. The Cabinet administered the country from 31 October 1922 to 25 July 1943, for a total of 7,572 days, or 20 years, 8 months and 25 days.

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    When people talk about fascism, they usually mention his most famous apprentice, but Benito is the real deal. He wrote the book. If you follow this path, you can expect to find the bloodbath in a few decades. Realistically though, there’s also a safer way out when the king is too sick to continue, but that could still take too long.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Okay, see no evil, hear no evil, sure.

    I would hope that one of the scientists involved "accidentally" gives away the access codes to someone who locks out the US behind them.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    A 2023 review by NASA concluded that the data they'd been providing had been "of exceptionally high quality."

    Could also "accidentally" leak all the data, in case there are no non-US backups.

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