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[–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

imagine the world going capitalism-free

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    ~~AI slop summarizing generic pro and anti vegan talking points. Cool cool cool. This is the state of journalism in the year of our Lord 2025.

    Do better, BBC.~~

    Edit: My bad. This article was actually from 2017, predating the AI boom - so it's human constructed generic pro and anti vegan talking points. Still sucks tho.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Possibly AI-generated but then it's presented as a summary of the linked article, which is decentish quality. (Assuming that the content is accurate and informative, personally I don't much care if it's written by a human or non-human intelligence, that seems to me like a religious distinction.)

    That said, there's a complete blooper in the original (also summarized in the "AI slop"):

    Some farmers could also be paid to keep livestock for environmental purposes. “I’m sitting here in Scotland where the Highlands environment is very manmade and based largely on grazing by sheep,” says Peter Alexander, a researcher in socio-ecological systems modelling at the University of Edinburgh. “If we took all the sheep away, the environment would look different and there would be a potential negative impact on biodiversity.”

    This is just balderdash. It's precisely the sheep farming that's preventing the natural regeneration of the Scottish uplands into more biodiverse forests. It's become a classic polemic issue, pitting urban greens against conservative rural types. Disappointing that the Beeb should take sides so egregiously like this.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just want to mention to anyone reading that plant-based meats have come such a long way, and if you haven't tried them, please do!

    Impossible meat is astonishingly good. All of it. I haven't tried something from them I haven't liked. The meatballs, chicken nuggets, burger, steak bites, it's all almost indistinguishable from the real thing, even though it's soy based.

    Quorn is an older vegetarian alternative made from a mushroom/fungus, and is usually quite a bit cheaper than Impossible meat, sometimes half the price. If you cook the ground beef or chicken cubes with a Beef or Chicken flavored stock (Marmite is a great vegan alternative for beef stock), is also tastes extremely good (basically no flavor of their own, they'll just absorb what you put in it).

    Seitan is a really good affordable option, even cheaper than Quorn if you make it yourself from wheat gluten flour (lots of good recipes on youtube, even for a ham-like style!)

    Using these alternatives makes it so much easier to switch away from real meat while still being able to use all of your existing meat based recipes. I've been able to make chili, lasagna, goulash, beef lo mein, beef stroganoff, burgers, and more with these alternatives, and I genuinely couldn't tell they weren't real meat. My family were heavy meat eaters their entire life, but after finding those 3 alternatives, I've been able to switch them entirely off real meat, which I never would've thought possible, that's how good these things are.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Full agree - meat substitutions make this transition extremely easy, you can find a drop-in replacement for almost anything and essentially eat the same stuff you did before. I wrote a list of favorites a couple years ago, it's pretty specific to local stores and I'll admit I forgot some of these existed, maybe my local shops stopped carrying them? https://slrpnk.net/post/1614342. Some local restaurants make absolutely amazing fake meat in-house with seitan (can you tell I live in a big city?) and I've been meaning to find some good recipes for that.

    Around here the grocery stores often split meat substitutes between the vegetables section and the freezer section. So if you can't find something and it doesn't have to be frozen, check if they jammed it in between bags of lettuce or something.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Instead of this soporific (possibly AI-generated) summary, the article that should have been posted is the one it links to. Which IMO is mostly a fair and accurate overview of the subject (except for the line about sheep farming somehow being good for biodiversity, which is a farmers' talking point and outright rubbish).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    Yeah.

    If vegetarianism was adopted by everyone by 2050, the world would have about seven million fewer deaths every year – and veganism would bring that up to eight million.

    I guess this counts only health issues caused by meat consumption. And only human deaths ;)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    What I mean is of course there will be health benefits, disruptions to established food networks, environmental benefits.... Cool, I feel a High schooler could have come up with a similar article, especially with the thumb sucked scenarios it feels like.

    Where is the juicy bits, like let's take cigarettes, could have written a similar article. Just now the end of cigarettes is in the horizon, maybe not fully but clearly in a terminal death spiral.

    What alternatives are proposed and is the global supply chain able to change. Will we achieve meat free through taxation, like cigarettes, and what will be the effects not only on the poor, but the cost benefits for the poor through health gains outweigh the extra costs?

    They touched cultural and religious meals, but will religions adapt and seize these practices just like slavery, or would there be an unintended radicalisation effect.

    Like I said these are just questions I thought of within 5 minutes. I believe the writer of the article could even have prompted ChatGPT for interesting angles. My opinion, which I believe everyone is entitled to, is that the article is shallow and leaves a lot of potential left on the table

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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Only one to level comment and is misinformation. Fiber, people, plants have them and they are the actual solution for the over assimilation of carbohydrates.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Because we know carbohydrates, when over consumed, are a major factor in obesity and diabetes. Wouldn't the whole world going meat free drive an increase in carbohydrate eating?

    Isn’t this already a problem for people who avoid meat? I mean, it’s a problem for everyone. But, I’m always curious about this dynamic.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I'm not sure why you're assuming someone who moves to a plant based diet would replace meats and dairy with bread and pasta. Veggies (beans, peas, corn, spinach, etc.) Have plenty of protein and also fiber, which is what most people, especially in the West, actually need more of.

    Eating plant based is just the food part of vegan though. I also don't pay for animal exploitation when it comes to my shoes, clothes, accessories, etc. It's a full net benefit in every aspect.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I'm not sure why you're assuming someone who moves to a plant based diet would replace meats and dairy with bread and pasta.

    Well, I’m thinking poorly of my fellow Americans. I don’t think this outcome would be uniform across the world if meat vanished tomorrow. And I’m fixated on the modern advances in meat replacements that are in stores. They can taste pretty good.

    But it’s become clear now that people are engaging with me that this just isn’t the sort of conversation appropriate for the sub. Because it’s a cliched question, it comes off as drive-by trolling.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    I think your concern is valid considering that the US "food pyramid" recommendation seemed to suggest LOTS of carbs; however, the pyramid is no longer the official standard and as of 2011 there is a much better (as far as nutrition) guideline called "myplate". Regardless, most people lack time&money, which are required to transition to a vegan lifestyle (that is: time to learn how to replace daily meals with non-meat options, time to practice cooking new foods, money to try out new foods that you may or may not like). I personally am vegetarian and I know that my food prep time and costs are either the same or lower than for meat-eaters, but the transition from a meat-centered diet to non-meat centered can have difficulties, especially if you're regularly cooking for more than just yourself. So yea, someone who suddenly didn't have meat as their meal centerpiece might just load up on bread until theyre full

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    100% that's why vegans are all usually obese and have so many obesity related diseases.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You got any citations for your wild claim?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    i thought it was obviously sarcastic.

    like duh.

    I've never met a fat vegan. isnt the stereotypes that they are all skinny

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    [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I am curious about how much the carbon reduction from decreased animal cultivation would be offset by the increase needed in plant cultivation.

    Edit: leave it to the vegan community to throw down votes for an honest curiosity. I don't care, but I do find it funny because it plays into the stereotypes.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    We would decrease plant cultivation as a result of decreasing animal exploitation within the agricultural sector. Far more plants are needed, and land cleared, in an animal based system than a plant based one. There would be no offset. Plant agriculture is, in part, a downstream effect of animal "agriculture".

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