I’m not understanding how somebody in a mask who isn’t presenting a badge can brandish a gun and shove somebody on their property without themselves being shot.
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Show up at their house and kidnap them and their families.
No warrant, no ID, no law required.
(Yeah, Pam, I said it. Fuck you and your goofy, Nazi, child stealing, kiddie fucking pals at ICE and the entire regime. Justice will find you one day.)
Hey, Germany here. We currently don't use Nuremberg, so feel free.
I want this clear. I.C.E has no jurisdiction when it comes to citizens. One shows up at your house tell em to fuck off and call a lawyer.
DO NOT COMPLY
When they force their way into your home, shoot them dead.
Within 100 miles of the border or coast, your rights are way less.
You’re gonna end up detained no matter what you do if they want to detain you. And they’ve already disappeared plenty of people without due process.
Conveniently they count every international airport as a border, so this covers almost the entirety of the country.
The count airports as a border point, ao ICE says tou have no rights unless you live somewhere like 4 corners or bumfuck Wyoming.
This isnnt about rights. It's about jurisdiction. Even 100 miles away or on the border. I.c.e has no jurisdiction over American citizens. Full stop
luckily fascists are known to respect boundaries
He refused to identify himself and then assaulted the resident. Why is the news calling him an "agent?" These guys don't have badges, don't wear uniforms, drive in unmarked vans and wear masks. They don't know WTF they are.
Looks to me like a group of kidnappers.
This is not a democratically elected regime. It’s a hostile takeover. The longer people don’t realise that the more time they have to prepare for their holocaust.
If we allowed 50 million immigrants to enter the US the number of criminals per capita would be reduced.
If we deported Donald Trump the number of criminals per capita would also be reduced.
It depresses wages tho.
Employers refusing to pay a living wage depresses wages.
If the labor werent cheaply and alternatively available, they would have less leverage to do that and would have to pay the market rates for those able and willing to do it for that living wage.
The more people that live here, the more expensive it gets and the less labor is able to demand for compensation and also even just the most basic of employment and services like health and childcare or things like housing.
There has been deliberate efforts to pump up the cost of living and tax base without actually sufficiently funding and providing the appropriate corresponding increase in availabillity and limiting the additional costs that otherwise cuts accessabillity to ensure everything remains in balance to adapt to the influx
Edit: oh no, DOWNVOTES, the kryptonite to basic logic and economicss. Ehatever shall I do
Why all the layoffs then?
Why can't you afford eggs?
Why is healthcare the number 1 cause of bankruptcy?
Why are your wages stagnant?
Why have billionaires seen a 2 TRILLION $ increase? (Since last year)
Immigrants, of course!
But, what's this, you ask?
Back to the front, boy. You can get yer learnin by dyin.
✅YOUR DOWNVOTE IN LIEU OF VIABLE ARGUMENT BETRAYS YOUR DISINGENUOUSNESS
why isnt there ever punishment for the businesses hiring illegal migrants (only the illegals are punished and sanctioned/deported; its almost like there's no actual disincentive for shady employers to not base their antisocial business models around that...) and why are random low skill employers like restaurants allowed to get away with legally or ilegally hiring foreign labor when there are people able and willing to fill those vacancies domestically?
The irrelevant argument that a business cannot exist at cost of employing regular citizens is not an argument for why they should exist at all and be allowed to throw up their hands and outsource like that. They are consuming and benefitting from domestic services and infrastructure, why the hell should they be able to shield themselves from taxes, underpay and exploit workers, and get paid for the pleasure and often not even need to reinvest back into the actual society they could only every exist as a product of?
How is there NOT an incentive for employers to game the system by publishint job listings for random positions with inflated requirements and undervalued compensation so nobody who could otherwise do the job at the actual market price and be hired domestically wouldnt or couldnt apply and they simply wail that nobody wants to work so they can get government slaves at a fraction of the price who they can deport if the employees complain about human or labor rights violations?
How would that not set a lower and lower standard for workers everywhere in general when their employers are empowered by the government to use that a bargaining wedge and keep them in line from otherwise demanding more or even basally reasonable standards when the owner buddies with a legislatoe can simply stroll in and fire everyone with the assurance they can legally employ their slave replacements and pocket all the difference to personally benefit and cover the minimal costs of next lobbying cycle along with other businesses who have an incentivr to conspire on joint efforts like this?
That's just not how the economy works.
The people that immigrate work. They have labor value. They're consumers too, they're literally just people like you and me - and zooming out to macro economics that's all we are. The human widgets in the machine.
Trying to blame immigrants for the ills of society is a fool's errand.
Maybe instead of pumping up shareholder value in stocks, most of which are not owned or shared by the actual labor, there could be an increase of wages and benefits through taxation. Hell stocks could be given to the people who are making that revenue for the company and not to just like the pockets of the investor class who are literally making money by simply having it.
I don't think people prefer to be exploited for their labor but when the USD goes farther than your local currency and you're already in bad enough straights it is worth the hardship for those folks.
Also all of this is ignoring one very obvious fact. IT IS ILLEGAL TO HIRE UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANT WORKERS. Maybe .. just maybe if the companies and farm owners followed the law they claim to care so much about the demand and the benefit of "illegal" immigration would cease to exist.
Its not about blame. Its about pointing out that all this excess value they contingently generate is basically absorbed only by the businesses that illegally or unethically employ them and the party in power of government that collects increased revenues with fewer obligations that they would be required from regular citizens and also a reduced incentive to solve actual domestic problems rather than let those pumped up government and business revenues/profits to make them look good rather than attenuate that with the actual real cost to citizens who bear the brunt of all of it.
Its a scam thru and thru but I'd love for you to point me objectively to how the businesses and government dont gain from this at the cost of the citizenry on the balance
The worst part is it works and it incentivizes businesses to pay the bribes and lobbying fees to keep the money train running and continually devaluing labor as time goes on. Nobody but strong unions can compete with that and the abillity of workers to reliably turn to that outlet or create it is severely legislated against and disincentivized culturally and in practical terms for actual sustainance workers
Edit: like, yes, in theory that would lead to lower prices for consumers if the labor to produce and bring the product to the consumers table is lower but who knows that information besides the companies and their shady practices? Whats stopping them from simply pocketing that differential and just using it to improve their profit margins? Why do you trust corps to the point you can be confident that we actually so rely on slave labor to have the goods and services we need when theres basically no accountabillity to the companies incentivized to increase their own margins at the expense of consumers and society.
Wage suppression has never come from immigration. It comes from shady business practices and a combined effort of the owner class to separate themselves from the working class. Have you not been hearing about record profits every quarter over the past two decades? Costs for everything have gone up in sync, except for the value of your labour, which has lost incredible amounts over the past 30-40 years.
They are taking the food out of our mouths to buy another Lamborghini. Immigration is a small drop in the barrel for why that's happening, but the people who are to blame want you to blame it on immigrants, and not them. You bought it, hook line and sinker. How's it feel to get played?
So, with the mass deportations which have, according to the quota of 3000 per day, removed ~200,000 - 300,000 people, wages should be skyrocketing and the unemployment rate should be near zero.
Phew.
They should at least be deporting or jailing permanently the employers. That would end the issue overnight especially if there was a come-to-Jesus option. Theres just no disincentive and all the incentive in the workd to be a total fucker. US' biggest problem
This is not anywhere close to reality. You are already a slave, can you stop working and go enjoy life for a while? Didn't think so. We certainly let them take our worth away though, you are right there. Workers, United, are stronger than all of "them" combined, and it is exactly why they have worked very diligently to convince people that things like "unions" are not good for you and will hurt your employment, when on fact it guarantees you a fairer slice of the pie. Still far from perfect, but we have more power together than we ever will alone.
This is based on a fundamental lie, or at best misunderstanding, of the right. They claim that the labor market is zero-sum, yet money has infinite possibility. "Anyone can become rich if they work hard enough."
In fact the opposite is true. A controlled money supply makes it the ultimate zero-sum game. The rich having more necessarily keeps it from others. The labor economy is free to expand, however, as new workers means new consumers.
There is a point with housing, however that problem is fabricated by elites, with no cause related to immigrants.
The 2A crowd are the ICE agents
That's what happens when the left goes full divestment from and demonization of guns for multiple decades. Even Marx knew it was a dumb idea, but saying "hell yes we are coming for your AR-15s and AK-47s" was just too tempting. The far right gun nuts are going authoritarian and the centrists are still hoping this doesn't end in a shooting (civil) war.
What would happen? Your house and at least five other houses around it would be riddled with so much lead that it would be declared a hazmat site. They would then "find" 40 bags of cocaine on property. Each bag would be found by a different officer and oddly not one of them will have been hit by a bullet. 112 random weapons will be found on your property, often in the exact same place that the cocaine was found, but by completely different officers at different times.
Even better, id be interested to see what happens in a state with castle doctrine.
I'll bet dollars to donuts that they know who and who doesn't have registered firearms. They are cherry-picking easy targets right now, and are going to avoid a gunfight if they can help it.
I also think it’s pent up rage because a black man was president. These racists will literally never let that go or accept it.
I've heard it so many times from racists I am related to and work with. ''We had a black president NOTHING IS RACIST ANYMORE! I can say whatever I want now'' they REALLY can't figure out what 'racism' means on any dictionary level.
Its wild considering that they are aliens, not native americans. They are literally guests of this country
We have reached a point in reality where I believe Tolkien's "Evil will defeat itself" when even Trump supporters are swept up by the consequences of their voting choices.
Thank god the US is fucking loaded with guns, so people can defend themselves.
/s
And yet we dont. This has always been the gun fetishists fantasy situation, but now that its here, they dont use their guns. Seems like they wasted their money.
More guns than people, but in the hands of a few. And anyone at risk of being deported is even less likely to risk it.
So felony kidnapping and aggravated menace. If they refuse to identify I dont see why we have to assume they are officers.
Just a matter of time before these thugs start getting gunned down while trespassing
How much longer before one of these becomes an outright gun battle? Or some dude screaming “show me a warrant!!” while holding an AR15. I want someone to make these ICE fuckers scared to do this.
I am failing to find either a list of ICE abduction / detention victims or a list of ICE officer-involved homicide.
In 2015 police officer-involved homicide (that's a euphemism for when a law-enforcement officer kills someone) averaged four victims a day, and those are the ones uncovered by activist groups who tracked incidents through news and obituaries.
So I cannot imagine a quota of 3000 abductions a day is going to proceed cleanly. Technically, they're succeeding at about 1100 abductions a day on average. We've seen their violence discipline and deescalation skills are wanting.
The only news I can find about ICE killing someone is from the Biden era, and only a few are reported.
So if anyone knows how often ICE pulls the trigger and kills (or seriously hospitalizes) members of the public, and can find me sources, please let me know. We should be tracking them, and we should be saying their names.
man it sure would be a shame if ICE and LE assholes got treated the way they treated innocent people.
Yeah, they're not hiring the best and the brightest here but they are hiring the most supremacist and this is what happens when you let that take over.
I'd say that they could sue but given how the courts have been stacked, they really stand no chance.
They are forgiving 60k of student loan debt. You know who has 60k in student loans besides active students? Graduated students on their why to almost paying off that quarter million student loan or droppouts. Not the brightest by design.
What are you talking about? They blocked all loan forgiveness that Biden was attempting to provide.
They're forgiving student loan debts as a signing bonus for ICE agents.
- Treat every firearm as if it is loaded
- Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy
- Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot
- Be sure of your target and what is behind it
I would say they are not following #2 but I am also pretty sure they are willing to destroy what they're pointing their weapons at in this situation. cunts
There are this many scum suckers who want to be cruel to people?? That's a job people sign up for? wtf.
Masked men
Refuse to give names
Refuse to give badge numbers
Refuse to identify themselves
Have no arrest warrant
Threatening bystander with lethal force
Show no shred of professionalism
Taking your loved one with no explanation other than 'shut the fuck up'
How is this not a kidnapping and why don't people defend themselves.
If masked men who refuse to identify as law enforcement with names, badges, or at least faces, are pushing my wife into an unmarked car ..... Ya someone is getting shot. Even if it's me, no one is taking my wife like that.
Ezekiel 25:17 these incestuous limp dick Gestapo cowards.
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