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[–] 93 points 1 year ago (6 children)

If a Serbian nationalist hadn't shot the damn archduke of Austria then Hideki Tojo wouldn't've sank the majority of the US pacific fleet decades later.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    ...what...?

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  • [–] 101 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    Honestly, this doesn’t even make enough sense to be a shitpost

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    I think, in this case, that’s what makes it a shitpost.

    OOP asks a valid question, though. I don’t remember what Serbia did, either.

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  • [–] 110 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (23 children)

    The actual answer is ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo, the former of which was the first post-WWII genocide legally recognised by the ICJ

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Moreover, as the meme indicates, their citizenry continues to feel as though the intervention was unwarranted. at least in large part. No state-level population is a monolith.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Of course it was unwarranted dafuq they bombed civilians areas with depleted uranium.

    http://www.onk.ns.ac.rs/Archive/Vol9/PDFVol9/V9n4p245.pdf

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I’ll be frank. Watching average people, noncombatants, children march toward pits to be executed leaves me less than sympathetic to you. I hope your world burns a millionth as much as mine did so that you can begin to comprehend how little I care about your nicked toe.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    If you really were there, I'm terribly sorry. No civilians deserve any atrocities. There's no us or them, that's fkn stupid and you know it. I'm not even serb.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Exactly why I support americans and germans dying lmao. If only we could nuke tel aviv.

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    Why did the Soviet Union break up? Why did the Soviet Union collapse? An important reason is that the struggle in the ideological field is very fierce, the comprehensive denial of the history of the Soviet Union and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the denial of Lenin, the negation of Stalin, the historical nihilism, the ideological chaos, the Party organizations at all levels have almost no effect, the army is not under the leadership of the Party. Finally, the Soviet Communist Party's largest party was scattered, and the Soviet Union's largest socialist country fell apart.

    • Xi Jinping (translated by Firefox)

    Even ignoring the claim of a coup, please explain how you think the USSR collapsing in 1991 is responsible for the ethnic tensions in Yugoslavia that bubbled up years earlier

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    The USSR was just a Russian empire that pretended to be some international socialist brotherhood. Imperialism is married to the Russian identity and that didnt stop just because the Bolsheviks killed the royal family.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh, right, you're just intentionally trolling. Cool.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    By the threat of killing you if you disagreed with the USSR's directives. Plus those satellite countries were meant to provide a buffer to the USSR if another world war was triggered. Better to fight a war in someone else's home rather than your own. A hard lesson learned from WW2.

    Putin is pretty much trying to re-establish that buffer while pillaging his neighbors of their wealth. It doesn't seem to be working well for him.

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  • [+] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You literally voted for a genocider you brainwashed cunt

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    ah yes, the equally competent and incompetent natoids strike again.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They are competent when it comes to bombing serbs with depleted uranium when they did genocide. The (hillarious) justification is that they disrespected UN resolution

    They seems to be very incompetent to do the same to israel despite 50 years of sitting on the UN.

    Funny no? Really makes you think

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I was making the remark that Fascists by design, have to portray their enemies as both powerful, and pathetic.

    Russia is fascist, and declares "the west" to be both the great satan who threatens Russkiy Mir and their very existence for which they were forced to go to war, and simultaneously is full of weak decadent coward homeosexual liberals. its the fascist duality

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So kinda like russia is both very threatening to european and unable to take ukraine?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I dont know if this is a serious question or a vieled whataboutism, but whatever the case, I do know one thing, Russia chose to start the war, and even more so, their mobsters used the excuse that their victims and enemies "made them do it"

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    Maybe if "the west" is so concerned about Putin they should stop buying him gaz.

    But why would they do that? They get cheap energy, fund their enemies, and have a good excuse to oppress population into war economy. Win win really

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    Ah yes, I see the history understander has logged on again...

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I guess it's a shitpost because Hawaii is not technically covered by NATO...

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hawaii-not-in-nato/

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    P.S.

    We still haven't forgotten 9/11.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    What war? NATO isn’t at war. But if you’re in Europe, sooner or later, you’re going to be fighting Russia. They’re not going to stop at Donbass.

    Said who, some experts based on a blackrock report written by McKinsley and edited by lockheed?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago

    I don't really care. "Eastern propaganda" you're the one sucking lockheed martin dick, asshole. It would be funny if scums like you weren't organising the salvaging of our social systems in order to buy bombs to defend ourself against big bad russia.

    Russia, who, again, wouldn't even be its own country if it wasn't for the nato. Putin, trump, the european leaders, they're all on the same side. The genocide. Yours.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No, they are an alliance for defense. Nothing peaceful about it, they will fuck you up with military force if you mess with any one of the US's economic interests.

    There, FTFY

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  • [+] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    The point is that "NATO" is an umbrella term for "US's interests" or "US military".
    The US can and absolutely does wreck shit up for the sake of their own interests, regardless of international law. "NATO" only comes into play when either other countries are willing to step in or the US might need a veneer of legitimacy.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Okay, can you think of a reason Russia "only" attacked* Georgia and Ukraine in the recent past and not say Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania?

    As a small nation you have two options:

    1. Build alliances and search senior partners
    2. Die

    * attacked as in boots on the ground. They engaging in cyber attacks and other forms of physical and online sabotage in many European countries

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    NATO is the only reason Russia is its own country in the first place

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Okay, even if the Soviet Union still existed if NATO did not form, how would that be a good thing? You know they conquered the countries like Poland? They actively fought for their freedom. And even today you can see that Russia tires to expand its sphere of influence using force and violence. They are an oppressor, not an ally.

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    Poor Russia, had no agency at all. Had no choice but to become an ultranationalist shithole because NATO forced them to.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    That's the very idea of a dictature, yes. Americans had more agency in the gazans genocide (since, you know, they designate themself as a democracy) than russians, who at least know they're in a strongmen dictature.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Are you aware of the actual reason that NATO bombed Yugoslavia?

    Oh, .ml, that explains it.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Given that you're on a two day old account, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    .ml is notoriously run by, and has a large population of tankies - people who support China and Russia, and defend or deny their countless atrocities. I.E. people who deny the Tiananmen Square Massacre, and say Russia's invasion of Ukraine and all the war crimes they've committed are justified. Basically, anything done by a government that opposes the US is considered a good thing, no matter how evil.

    Edit: Adding what Brucethemoose said into my comment directly because its important. Being critical of the US or NATO doesn't make you a tankie. The problem is excusing genocide because it was commited by someone outside NATO or the US allies.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And to be clear, the larger part of non-tankie Lemmy is just fine acknowledging recent, heinous western atrocities, though doesn’t give NATO quite as much thought I suppose (in lieu of the raging dumpster fires in our own backyards).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The rest of the world were willing participants in Afghanistan. The US didn't have to do anything to "force" them.

    Iraq and Afghanistan are interlinked stories, but the way they played out with world support was very, very different.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    what's wholesome about a military alliance, retard? It's people who are paid to kill people, it's the opposite of wholesome, it's a bunch of assholes in offices bribing politicians to spread more wars and sell more bombs? Fuck you.

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