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[–] 183 points 1 year ago (10 children)

In dry bureaucratic language, the memo outlines a plan to revoke citizenship from the children of both immigrants who lack permanent legal status and many lawful residents, including visa holders, Dreamers, and asylum-seekers. It envisions intrusive federal review of parents’ papers—quite possibly in the hospital, before or shortly after birth—to gauge the newborn’s legal status. And it paves the way for people who spend their entire lives in the United States to be deported to countries in which they’ve never stepped foot, or to be condemned to the limbo of statelessness.

I wonder how Marco Rubio feels about this. Neither of his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth in the U.S.. Perhaps he'll be deported to Cuba?

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  • [–] 102 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Logically, this combined with their insistence that they can revoke legal status means that no one's citizenship is guaranteed. Everyone born in the US is descended from people who weren't citizens. And those who went through a process to become citizens can apparently have that yanked away if the current administration get its way.

    If I were the next president and had to try and undo the damage these fascists are inflicting, I'd start by deporting the bastards behind this shit in all three branches of government, starting with the the Supreme Court. Maybe just drop them all off in Antarctica.

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  • [–] 102 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    This gets my 'I'm too scared to read' award for the day

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Read it and prepare to fight it. These cowards expect us to cower and hide. Resist.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    You are most correct. We can no longer look away from the atrocities and hope they stop. Today all decent folks must be soldiers for humanity Thank you comrade

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I mean, so far that’s all you’ve been doing.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    So what you hang out with fenrirlll? How long have you personally known him and how he comports his life?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Talking about Americans in general, not this guy personally. Who knows, maybe he’s thrown a few punches. I feel like we’d have heard about him if he had, though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Why does he or anyone have to throw punches. Do you feel nonviolent protest is useless?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    At this point? Absolutely. You seem to think you’re still dealing with Bush-era fascism.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Does not matter if its north korean fascism. I can't stop you but dissuading one type of protest is not a good way to help another. There will be all kinds of protest and they do aid each other at the least by spreading out government forces. I did not protest during the bush era so it has to be this record breaking level to get the levels we saw with no kings and will see this weekend.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    So, you’re saying that violence is NEVER called for?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Nope. Im saying individuals must decide and that all disobedience is helpful.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Doing a parade in accordance with local regulations on a weekend when the weather is nice is not “disobedience.”

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I mean thats a great example of downplaying that I disagree with. Again personally I want everyone doing whatever they can. If you would like less protest and more going along that is with you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    You’re the one who said “disobedience.”

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I did and I disagree with your generalization saying its not. It is to me and im thankful to the people putting their effort toward there over dissuasion.

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  • [–] 100 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Wait... I thought these morons said life begins at conception. Shouldn't citizenship be determined at that time, then?

    They can't even get their own story straight.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Life begins at the moment of insertion.

    Citizenship begins when your skin passes the paint swatch test.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Citizenship begins when your skin passes the paint swatch test.

    Plenty of Latinos and black folks in ICE, but go off

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You've never heard of race traitors before?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Or internalized racism if you want to be more polite

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If not for double standards, Republicans would have no standards at all.

    The hypocrisy is baked into their ideology. They don't need to be consistent, it is all about "winning" to them. Words mean nothing, except as a method to "win".

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Words mean nothing, except as a method to "win".

    This is literally how demons are in Frieren.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I don't know what any of that that means, but I was paraphrasing Sartre:

    Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

    By "anti-Semites" Sartre is of course referring to the Nazis and their sympathisers (it was written in 1944).

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I feel like that's giving them too much credit, The demons in Frieren aren't immoral they're just ammoral, they straight up don't have a concept of morality or empathy except from an external point of view as this strange human behaviour they can manipulate. Fascist on the other than are human and do understand morality and empathy and then choose to ignore and weaponize them anyway, they have so much more malice than a fictional demon.

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    With this all out attack on American Citizens. It makes me wonder, if we're their enemy, who are their allies? And also why aren't more Heritage Foundation buildings and Republican Offices on fire?

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Because the people that hate republicans are usually moral people and wreaking havoc and mayhem isn’t something we usually do.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You're going to have to because walking around with signs isn't going to stop this.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Hmm who has well documented ties to this administration and would be happy with the downfall of America as a world power? This is one I’ll have to Putin the ol’ think tank for a while

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Well, ask yourself. Why haven't you done any of these things you're asking.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Did you ask yourself why I would post those activities on a public forum first?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    The courage of your convictions, a call to action for others, leading by example.

    There are many reasons you might decide to.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Look, you seem to be Australian. If you'd like to join 50501 and dive from there I won't stop you. But I get it. You are urging me because I am here. Believe me, there is preparation and movement, Portland is steeped in madness they are resisting so hard, we started late in all states, but its there. Far more than any socials, including Lemmy, show.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm not urging you to do shit, tbh.

    But I'm tired of all the hand-wringing from people who are waiting for "someone else" to do something.

    I'm sorry I didn't realise you've already torched a dozen wasps nests I didn't know about.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You dont even live here. Go hand wring about your laws that allowed Collective Shout to fuck adult games the planet over.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What the fucks your problem dude?

    Fragile fuck.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You came in here commenting like you're a badass who would've grabbed Trump's gooch yourself by now. Seems you can't even handle some internet comments. Number 1 rule is dont be a dick dude. You crossed that while ignoring your own country's problems that literally just cost the world a sliver of their freedom of choice, the actual entire world.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Where did I do that? I think you're totally misinterpreting me and being a massive asshole in the process.

    You also haven't told me what issue you think Australia has, which specific law do you want changed?

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    What's his plan to release the Epstein files?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is the actual point

    DO NOT LET HIM DISTRACT US FROM THE EPSTEIN FILES WITH THIS CRAZY PLAN

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I think this is the game to watch...the epstien files will just be entertaining, Trump is doing all of this clutching pearls stuff over the EF to get a bunch of other stuff passed...they've had a bunch of time to doctor the EF . When finally released it will be a shell of actual facts, hell my bets on Greta thurnburg being a client.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Under these rules, Trump himself isn't a citizen

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    And his, ahem, 'wife' is definitely not.

    Here's another thing to think about... This is another distraction because the obese tangerine is on the Epsteins kiddie fiddling list. He's a convicted rapist and rapes children.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Can you explain that please? I just read the document and I don't see why this is true.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    His mother was an immigrant with questionable citizenship at the time of his birth.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Wow, what an "efficient" way to ruin people's lives. For no reason but the cruelty itself. The UN list of human rights has been ignored completely by most, if not all countries. But everybody is supposed to be entitled to a nationality. Otherwise, where the hell are you going to live? A small uninhabited unowned island? Antarctica? So, in a disturbingly normal turn of events, the government has infringed upon its residents human rights.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They could join the tech- and cryptobros on their libertarian dream cruiseships.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't understand why this would be a massive problem in the USA. My country (the netherlands) doesn't have birthright citizenship and it hasn't caused any issues. Why would it be different in the USA?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The Netherlands has citizenship for people born in the country while their primary residence is in the Netherlands which is pretty similar. It's important because it was outright guaranteed in the 14th Amendment, which was written to make sure that formerly enslaved African-Americans had a nationality. The country also has an obscenely large and corrupt deportment force, ICE. The country has an extremely long history of immigration, which continues to this day. As far as I know, there's a lot fewer people moving to the Netherlands, far fewer entering from non-European countries.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That is not entirely true: https://www.nederlandwereldwijd.nl/nederlandse-nationaliteit/nederlander-worden-geboorte-erkenning

    The point that takes this as topic is: "Op de dag van uw geboorte woonden u en uw vader of moeder in Nederland. En uw opa of oma woonde op de dag dat uw vader of moeder werd geboren ook in Nederland."

    Which translates to

    "On the day you were born, you and your father or mother lived in the Netherlands. And your grandfather or grandmother lived on the day your father or mother was born in the Netherlands."

    So it's not as simple as you put it, there's an extra step there in the form of a grandparent.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Oh, that makes sense. I probably misread the site. Mb. Anyways, the US is hypothetically supposed to be inclusive of different cultures and easy enough to immigrate to. It's not. It'a had better moments though.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Trump just released Miller's plan

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