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[+] 131 points 1 year ago (16 children)
  • [–] 107 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That’s the point. They have a weapon that can be used against anyone, and it’s already shown they don’t care about due process. The courts gave him everything he needs.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I think this is a great point. If they dispute the immigration status of your great grandpappy, oh looks like you're an illegal based on this purely unconstitutional "inherited status" doctrine.

    Edit: The 14th amendment specifically mentions "born" in the US to prevent the use of the law to do things like this aimed at former slaves. Its no surprise that this kind of thing is being attempted by maga nazis.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Right?

    I'm wondering if there's a way I can use this to get deported to the lands of my great great great great grandparents (Germany or the Netherlands or somewhere idk)

    They wouldn't take my stupid ass otherwise

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My DNA is such a fucking mashup that I could theoretically go to almost any European country.

    Take me back.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well, do you have any marketable skills?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I’m an HVAC technician with 5 years of experience in commercial refrigeration.

    You know someone that would sponsor an immigrant?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Me personally, no.

    But honestly with how on fire the world currently is, a lot of places will be in need of air con soon that didn't before, if your skills also transfer to heat pumps I think you can take your pick of where you'd like to go. Just start sending applications. Also if you have any European ancestors, check if that country doesn't grant descended citizenship (like ireland, greece, italy etc).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I'm wondering about this also except my lawful parents have been here only about 30 years. I don't know if their legal status when I was born is 'legal enough' for me to remain even when birthright was perfectly intact at the time. I'd probably have three options of countries to go to. But only if they will accept 'stateless U.S. citizens' is another matter because the Global North is gungho about anti-immigration and that includes asylum.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    My dirt farmer ancestors got here in like 1890, too late to fight against the Yahnkeez, just in time to steal land from the Indians.

    So I guess I'm either Scottish or stateless now. I'm not sure which is worse. (Just kidding, Scots)

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    How will this impact the people in the Epstein Files?

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Or Trump's wife who he bought from Epstein?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wouldn't this mean that Trump's father who's parents were German and his mother who was born in Scotland weren't citizens when he was born on American soil, hence he himself isn't?

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    So, recursively and retroactively. So who is a citizen then? People who pay the $5m? People who are naturalized? Party loyalists? Does servitude guarantee citizenship? I would like to know more.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The more of these boxes you can check, the “safer” you are….

    White.
    Wealthy.
    Straight.
    Male.
    Christian.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    And well-connected and have rightthink. Those are more important than the others. You can check all your boxes, but too much wrongthink and you'll be against the wall before you know what's happening.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    To that end, USCIS declared flatly that the children of immigrants who are “unlawfully present” will “no longer be U.S. citizens at birth.” They will, instead, inherit the status of their parents, rendering them detainable and deportable as infants and throughout their lives. There is no indication that the government will provide some grace period before snatching up and imprisoning this new underclass of noncitizen babies; they are apparently subject to arrest from the moment of birth.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    it’s not much of a stretch to assume they’ll do the same to people born here three generations down. or six. or twenty.

    fucking pieces of garbage worthless nazis these admins and anyone who supports them are.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah that's smart, expel themselves

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you haven't figured out that these rules were never meant to apply to them, then I'm not sure what to say.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No it ain't, experts have been telling us the whole time that no one is safe.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fucking fascists. We should still be accepting immigrants through Ellis Island (in my humble opinion)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    No! Don't be humble about that, that's just simply how this country was founded.. and I don't mean the exploiters, I mean the countless immigrants who form the working class since then. That is more than something to take pride in.

    I had a little "debate" where it was being argued the US was never a melting pot, and if it was ever, it isn't anymore. How defeatist is that? To let the undeniable presence of so many cultures wither just as these ethnonationalists intend.. You have to be bold, else you lose what you once had, or worse, never achieve anything greater.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    @xylol Is one of those who brought it up.

    One of the steps that will lead to mass corporate slavery.

    "Former" Americans will be bought and sold, or "disposed of", to pay off their "debt" for being allowed to stay on American soil.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So. This is what will cause a revolution. Believe that.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Will anything cause a revolution?

    From an outside-the-US perspective, it feels as though every incremental assault the USA’s constitution is met with a bit of tut-tutting and complaining about why elected members don’t fix things, then back to apathy 48 hours later.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    No.

    To render someone stateless is a HR violation (UDHR article 15), but there are plenty of countries that do not grant citizenship simply because a person is born within their borders (eg most of Europe).

    But birthright citizenship is Good, imo.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah, just like it would be really hard to do any of the constitution breaking things he has done over the years... He just does it, the supreme Court will give him a thumbs up and that's the end of it

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    What do you mean? Which children born on US soil since 1868 were not granted birthright citizenship?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Indian tribe members born in reservations.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A DuckDuckGo search says that since 1924 native Americans living on reservations also get birthright citizenship. I suppose there may be a handful of native Americans born before then who are still alive, but I doubt many.

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