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[–] 78 points 1 year ago (2 children)

About 15 years ago I gave Linux a try, liked it and showed it to my wife who is less technical than me. She said she found it nicer than windows so I put it in the common computer and never looked back.

You can find as many excuses not to use Linux as I can give you reasons and solutions to try it... at the end of the day, try it, don't try it, it's your decision and you get to live with the consequences of those decisions. Me evangelizing about Linux is just as painful as hearing Window users complain about it yet unwilling to do anything but whine about it

If you do give it a try and have an issue, there are plenty places to get help for Linux better than the MS forums, this is undeniable.

Also, notice Windows is like bumper cars while Linux is like the entire vehicle fleet of the world, you want to drive a tank, you got it... wanna drive a super car, got it... wanna drive a hot air balloon that moves on good wishes, Linux has one distro just like that... you probably should not learn to drive in a Ferrari when you are late for work, choose a beginner friendly distro and move on from there at your pace if you feel like it

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This. To many people who "just want to use" a computer, the OS in the background won't make much of a difference, but linux makes it easier for the one maintaining it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Lots less of us maintainer types than user types. User types like to pay for someone to fix it and buy a new one when that fails. There's no enlightening them. When more pc's come as Linux from the store and there is better support for a unified installer the real uptake won't happen.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't want Linus Torvald spying on me through my computer, either! /s

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    "I wish I wish upon a star for a multi billion dollar monopoly to self-regulate"

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Everybody wants to complain about how bad things suck, and then just shrug and keep living with it.

    Seriously, it sucks that Microsoft is an evil corporation spying on all Windows users. Nothing will change unless people start coming up with and using alternatives. This isn't some fairytale where government regulation works in our favor, either. The only vote we have that matters to corporations is the choice to give them our money and data.

    Linux has a learning curve, and there are some things that are frustrating at first. None of those things are more frustrating than having your personal computer ruled by the robber baron Bill Gates. Just my two cents. I am very intelligent.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I will say that there is a usability issue with some aspects of Linux. If you are not a sysadmin but want to use a computer for more than just browsing the web and sending email, you can get blocked pretty easily and the vast number of possible configurations out there makes troubleshooting way more difficult than on a windows or Mac machine.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There definitely is a usability issue, but it's gotten insanely easier in just the 4 years I've been using it. Could you elaborate on what you mean by using a computer for more than browsing the web and sending email? My mind immediately goes to gaming, but I'm sure you mean other facets of PC use as well.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well…gaming.

    But also trying to use various apps that are more niche than browsers and office software.

    For example, there is a creative writing app called Manuskript that doesn’t seem to install the same way if I’m using fedora and KDE or fedora and Gnome.

    Or, I installed various distros on older Apple hardware and they don’t automatically mount a second drive that is present and detected, even after taking what should be the steps to auto-mount the drive at startup.

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  • I suppose I've just been very fortunate with all my other software, but I haven't had to jump through too many hoops to get stuff working.

    I also generally just stick with 2 or 3 distros I know well, which has definitely helped usability. I'd imagine most casual users would do the same.

    I'll be honest, though. That shit is ready for gaming. I haven't had real issues in games in years. Maybe a couple games display some reflections incorrectly, but I'm golden besides that. The only "problem" I've had is that a the anticheats for a lot of big, corporate, live-service games don't support Linux. They could, if the developers wanted. I can actually play some official Microsoft games that use anticheat on Linux.

    So like, Linux probably wouldn't be good for you if you only play Call of Duty, but let's be real: if you only play Call of Duty, you're used to getting your teeth kicked in by the software company you stan. Keep on usin' Windows, it's just fine for your purposes.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    I am not particularly intelligent, nor particularly knowledgeable on the details on how OSes and kernels work. And I'm comfortably using Linux. One more reason why more people should.

    But I agree that it would be very nice if legislation was finally passed to prohibit that spyware bullcrap most of the big players have trying to force down our throats.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    As someone who considers themselves a "Linux-evangelist" and has run it exclusively on my devices for years, I really despise that the goto method for recruiting others is to shit on other OSs and claim that Linux beats them all. Whilst you're not wrong and all your arguments are true, nobody wants to listen to that.

    The most succesful campaigns I have seen has been to gently introduce people to Linux and let them play around with it. Alot of people really just liked it, but where more open to adopt since they arrived at the conclusion on their own, instead of being force-fed it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just today I had to explain to a coworker how I grew to love Linux because I was hating Windows, I don't hate Windows because I love Linux. And I don't want to hate Windows, I wish they were slowly becoming anti-user, but they keep adding (forcing) features that are so unfriendly to the user.

    I had to help someone figure out why their new storage drive wasn't showing up, and it was because Windows has something called "Storage Spaces", turning "unused" storage drives into a sort of virtual raid local One Drive. It's a neat idea, but it hides the physical drive from File Explorer and Disk Management. That should be a feature you have to intentionally configure and enable, not something that can just happen automatically.

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  • I grew to love Linux because I was hating Windows, I don't hate Windows because I love Linux. And I don't want to hate Windows, I wish they were slowly becoming anti-user, but they keep adding (forcing) features that are so unfriendly to the user.

    Yes. If Windows was still like Windows XP, I don't know if I would have ever switched. It used to be fun, not soul sucking.

    There's lots of other reasons I'm glad I switched, of course.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I think it highly depends on the person. I have never been a 'brand loyal' type person. It was very likely Linux users clowning on Windows and OS X that got me interested enough to check it out.

    I do believe you though, some people even if you simply try to correct their misconceptions about Linux get super defensive. It's like Stockholm Syndrome, but for OS's.

    The most succesful campaigns I have seen has been to gently introduce people to Linux and let them play around with it.

    I think the Steam Deck is helping in this area. People turn on 'Desktop Mode' just to try it and see that it's not some scary esoteric thing, but basically works just like Windows or Mac.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    I use arch btw

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    I would switch to Linux in a heartbeat if it ran all the programs I use. And yes, I know about wine, but it's still not all there yet. Thankfully there are more and more programs I use that now run natively in Linux, so I still have hope.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    if it ran all the programs I use

    Got ya fam: don't use the programs that don't run on linux. UR WELCOME

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This is how I do it. Emacs has everything you need.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    To quote an old joke. Emacs is a good operating system, the only thing it lacks is a good text editor

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I never tried to use it but this tracks with what I've heard. This blog post is worth sharing: https://www.andrewt.net/blog/vim/index.html (Vim must die and Emacs must not take its place)

    Relevant excerpt:

    Emacs is a sort of medium-sized operating system in which an enterprising user could, in theory, build a text editor.

    I can't recommend enough that everyone read this post, it's great. Funnily enough, it seems that Microsoft of all companies did eventually make the terminal editor he was wishing for: https://github.com/microsoft/edit

    He (Andrew T) shared this new development on Mastodon a couple of months ago but I can't find that post too easily. Maybe I'll ask him to append a note about MS edit to the post.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I should say I'm pretty biased because I've been using vim since highschool, but the post seems a little crazy. I'm almost wondering it it's parody...

    His palpable hatred towards vim in particular seems irrational though. Felt like much ado about nothing to me. I might be missing something though?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The Maine Thing I'm worried about that Linux won't run or at least won't run well is VR but I did not try it yet.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    ALVR works well with the quest 2 with little to no hassle (at least, no more hassle than using the oculus Windows app or VR desktop), but since it's wireless, the compression artefacts are a bit annoying for me

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  • Honestly, between Lutris and Steam it’s now pretty easy to run most things from windows in Linux. There are some exceptions, such as Office, but the majority of my Steam library runs great. It’s come a long way, even in the last year. The frontends really simplify things.

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  • Me having to do fuckass crazy shit to get two apps to run at the same time in Lutris to play Japanese VNs while selecting text 😭

    I miss just opening the game, and opening Texractor. Now I gotta follow a guide from another distro to a T, pray I typed a / correctly, make .bat file, and run a whole other mini-OS in the background.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    There’s barely anything you β€œneed” Windows for anymore. Especially as something like 99% of most people’s PC usage is web (including cloud-hosted Office type apps).

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You say this, but you haven't met all the programs I have to use for work.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The solution to this is to organize with your coworkers and seize the means of production, and then vote to use only Free, Libre, and Open Source Software from now on. Easy peasy.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I work in IT support, the options for good, and Foss software on the technician side of most RMM tools.... Vanishing small, if any.

    There's a lot of platforms that support monitoring and management on the client side, but when it comes to technician side tools, GFL. Most vendors don't even mention it at all, fewer support anything other than Windows. FOSS isn't concerned about the IT support folks because almost all FOSS is made by people who can build their own computer and don't need support.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Doc, it hurts when I do this...

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I mean, there are only two three realistic options (four if you are that one BSD user):

    • Either you use Windows and let Microsoft spy on you (or rely on unbloating scripts which might eventually break your OS and not even block all Microsoft spyware in the first place);

    • You buy overpriced Mac computer, that might also spy on you, who knows;

    • You use Linux.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Apple does spy on you, but unlike Google and Microsoft, they don’t sell your data.

    But you still have to decide if you trust them with your info

    Linux is the way to go* if you absolutely want to avoid any kind of spyware

    *be mindful of the distro you choose. Some do have telemetry

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Apple does spy on you, but unlike Google and Microsoft, they don’t sell your data.

    They are an American company though, so who knows how secure their data really is if a rich person decides they really want access.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Credit where credit is due, Apple did fight against FBI over something like this.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93FBI_encryption_dispute

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  • If the telemetry is opt-in with a dialog window at first boot explaining why developers need telemetry, i don't see the problem. It's the difference between data freely given to help improve the system vs. data taken without consent to make you a better advertisement target.

    edit: and i am pretty sure that the average FOSS-dev has way better ethics than the average microsoft data broker.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As a Linux user, I don't really get it? What is the term supposed to signify? Why is the Linux dude in a well? I have so many questions

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I mean, tbf, your other option is a violent takeover of the Microsoft corporation, complete with rifles and grenades and stuff, so like, by comparison "fucking install mint or fedora ffs" sounds a lot easier.

    I mean yee I agree "microstof should just stop asshole," but good fucking luck with that..

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    They're the best, they're the worst. Like cuddling a hedgehog.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Who "won't" switch to Linux? Emigrating to Linux is just not as simple as these people believe.

    Some of us have our entire lives on Windows that will take forever to migrate with all the obligations and the crushing weight of work that we have to handle in our day to day life.

    How society would thrive if we had true freedom.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's not moving to a different city or country lol. Upload what you need to a cloud and put linux on a usb and install. If this takes you longer than a week.... Then idk.

    Only those apps that aren't linux compatible is a pain the ass

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    For a lemmy user it would probably take a night, like 4 hours

    For people who don't know how to choose a boot drive it will take longer than a week to get the computer to where they had their windows machine, and probably like 20-30 hrs of work.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I literally don't know how to use Linux and I'm a moron

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Luckily linux does 95% of the work for you nowadays! Follow a 15 min tutorial on youtube, and pick Zorin or Mint. No configuring drivers, no setting up grub. Modern distros truly are a Penguin blessing. Want software? Open de software center and click install!

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Software and games.

    No matter some people claims, there are always software/games that simply won't run on Linux or no alternative available.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    The newer updates to Wine are making that less relevant.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Kernel anti-cheat does not work on Linux

    And hopefully never will.

    Please keep the spyware on the spyware operating system.

    I've been a Linux user nearly exclusively) for over 20 years, I still keep an iPad and a windows desktop around for government stuff because the their apps and websites don't work on my hardened systems (sus) or through TOR (less sus).

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The competitive online gaming community is not the gaming community.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I can play SF6 and Dota2 on Linux. Are those not competitive? If I'm able to play these games free of cheaters on Linux, what's stopping any other company from allowing me to play my games there? Guess what, games with kernel-level anti-cheat still have cheaters even when they universally block Linux from playing at all. Will allowing the OS with ~3% market share (specifically the subset of that 3% that will even be playing that game) make the cheater population skyrocket? I know your point is that you simply won't switch if you can't use/play what you want, but you're complaining about an instance where the only thing preventing you from doing that is the corporation who makes the product, and has nothing to do with Linux itself.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Kernel anti-cheat won't work on windows soon anyways

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Competitive online gaming is a very small niche of the gaming community.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    People are on Windows because of inertia.

    If you look at just PC gaming, Steam charts show that the big competitive kernel-level AC titles are way down, the biggest one is the newest Rainbow 6, with 80k players of the 36 million people active on Steam right now, 10 million being in-game. Funny thing is, the biggest Steam title is indeed a competitive online shooter, CS2, but it runs fine on Linux.

    If it was competitive gaming that was the only reason people aren't on Linux, most other segments would have seen a mass migration already. Competitive games can't explain why 95%+ of the community is not on Linux.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Did you know there's Linux software that doesn't run on windows too?

    There's always something, and it's an easy excuse. How many people using that excuse actually have one of those few missing pieces blocking them?

    And frankly, it's so easy to dual boot at this point. I do get it, I have to hang on to windows to use fusion360, at least for certain projects.

    I'll be damned if I'm going to waste my time and patience on windows for anything I can avoid though.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Read my comment again. "...no alternative available"

    Believe me, there are a lot of users that their software needed for their job only works on Windows. It's not even some Adobe, Office, or generic software that we often hear. These software is hyperly specific that you will only know if you do the job.

    Moving to Linux without any actual software equivalent is basically asking them to abandon their jobs.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    For me, it's simple, it's gaming. As soon as I can run competitive online games on Linux, I'll switch fully. Meanwhile, my non gaming computer runs Linux, but my gaming rig runs Windows.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Same. I have a gaming PC with Windows 11 only use it for gaming. Everything else, I do it on my laptop.

    Nowadays games that don’t run are rare but they still exist. One of my favorite games, BF1, sadly stopped working on Linux after they introduced anti cheat (on the other hand, at least now there are no cheaters spamming artillery)

    I also have a meta quest and the best software to link the headset to the PC, Virtual Desktop, sadly also doesn’t work on linux

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  • At least for VR stuff, I find Linux to work pretty well with ALVR Streamer, which is basically an open source version of Virtual Desktop.

    For anticheat, there are if course no real good solutions yet, for that, we just need better market share to pressure game developers.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    can you even do that without Microsoft saying ok (or suing you) ?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    No. Even if EU went full on dictator and tried, how would they get the sourcode? :D Unless the US would force Microsoft to hand it over, it would not happen.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Thats even the funny part, you cant.

    The reason they skipped Windows 9 was some ancient piece of code, lost to the ages that has been incorporated into Windows since dinosaurs once roamed the earth.

    Atleast with the linux kernel you know who put what where, and can send them a fish in the mail if you think what they made stinks.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Fair enough, but most solutions to restrict data gathering by windows are often worked around by Microsoft via eventual windows updates which is a perpetual risk. In my experience, using Linux is less of a headache in the long run.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I am the smug well guy in this picture. You can complain and whine about Microsoft's shitty practices to people who have no way of effecting them..oooorr you can use a different OS. Kind of a "better to light a candle than to curse the darkness" deal.

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