"Be lesbian, do crime"
I guess ?
I guess ?
I also wonder how many women go unreported for violence against men.
A love for women is the biggest risk factor for violent crime.
Interesting because there's a very old gay stereotype that they're extremely violent. These days, it's usually that gay men are effeminate and passive, and I think a lot of people don't even realize this stereotype existed.
Baron Harkonnen and Scar (The Lion King) are examples.
Examples of that older stereotype, you mean?
I'd never have guessed Scar were gay.
Disney never comes right out and says these things about their cartoons. Ursula is based directly on the drag artist Divine, but you won't catch a Disney executive admitting that.
But yes, Scar is basically the gay uncle.
Not doubting, but can I read someone's commentary that explains this more?
https://time.com/6282514/little-mermaid-ursula-drag-queen-divine/
Ursula is pretty easy to understand, because thatβs so 1:1 with Divine and there are direct confirmations.
With Scar one of the supervising animators, Andreas Deja, is openly gay (now, not at the time because it was the 90s) and has spoken about adding campiness and other gay influence to his work.
With other examples itβs a bit more difficult, because to understand it you need to understand how the Hays Code affected the portrayal of queer people on screen. The short version is that queer people werenβt allowed to be overtly portrayed at all, so any characters with queer coded behavior (by 30s to 60s standards) wound up as villains. As this becomes more entrenched in media, these mannerisms became shorthand for villain, so by the time the 90s rolls around the people referencing these tropes might not be familiar with their origin.
For the long version, see the documentary The Celluloid Closet.
I have done the web search for you. https://queeringthenetautumn2014.removed/2014/11/gender-representation-in-lion-king.html
What the heck why is my link being censored?
There should be a.com where it says removed See my comment farther down
Out of curiosity, did you copy the link from someone elseβs comment on another instance? Iβve literally never seen a Blahaj comment get caught by a censor filter for anything, much less a .com
Turns out there's a spam filter on blogspot links because spam bots very frequently send links to them
I'mma be honest, I'm struggling to trace your intended source. https://queeringthenetautumn2014.wordpress.com/ doesn't work, WordPress tells me it doesn't exist. https://queeringthenetautumn2014.com/ (which is what your earlier comment implies it should be) doesn't exist in DNS. Google searching for "queeringthenetautumn2014" and for "gender-representation-in-lion-king" and similar turns up nothing useful.
Ah, sorry, it's supposed to be
where it says removed.
Ah right, thanks. It's been a long time since I've come across a Blogger page! I wonder if I can link to it...
https://queeringthenetautumn2014.blogspot.com/
edit: ah, well it seems to work on my instance and on most others, but then get censored in federation to Blahaj. Which I guess is better than getting censored in all instances, but ah well.
Thanks. I wanted a trustworthy source from someone knowledgeable, not whatever slop pops up when I google "is scar gay" π
The stage musical version tried to no-homo him
.... By turning him into an attempted rapist instead.
Jafar. i don't think these characters often represent violent crime though. more often just deviousness
Captain Hook, evil dandy trope.
The Baron Harkonnen example is interesting because the author was admittedly homophobic when he wrote the character, but later regretted the choice after making amends with his gay son.
I hate the datamancer of this chart- if you have 'heterosexual men/women' the other bars should be labelled 'homosexual men/women'
And listing them alphabetically instead of by grouping or delinquency is also mildly irksome.
Straight women probably commit way more crime but get away with it more frequently. I know I do. Also where are the bi criminals? Are there none? Did we just solve crime?
Psst, weβre using our invisibility to leave no trace while committing crime
Now playing Die Antwoord - Enter the Ninja
Bi people are too emotionally fulfilled to want to crime
I'm supposed to be emotionally fulfilled?
Yeah didn't you install the latest updates yet? Since, like, patch 14.7.3, you should have a permanent sense of mild satisfaction.
Thatβs silly, imagining that people exist on a spectrum. Donβt you know everything in life is black and white, either or, binary?
The Kinsey scale only contains 0 and 6 for a reason. If there were any numbers between 0 and 6, people might think the world was complex and nuanced or something.
You see, because bi people are a myth as far as the authorities are concerned, when a crime is committed theyβre classified as straight men or lesbian women, but when they donβt commit crime theyβre gay men and straight women.
I was about to say the same thing. Women will report violence from women, men are going to be less inclined to.
And i imagine a lot of gay men have the attitude that if they report intimate partner violence it will come back to hurt them in one way or another.
I know as a trans woman if I were to report violence from a cis woman I'd likely be reframed as the perpetrator and if I were to report violence from a trans woman it would be framed as "trans woman commits violent crime" and used to hurt me.
In some contexts there's no doubt you have a point, but liberal western cities I suspect that has no more impact than, say, the tendency of women to underreport domestic and sexual violence. Anyway I would imagine that a bigger factor is criminal perpetrators underreporting their own gayness
"Be gay, do crime" is only relevant to women.
Who's to say gay men don't do more white collar crime?
kinda ghoulish to post in a thread full of people sharing their domestic abuse stories
I was here first.
I'd definitely believe the top two. My oldest sister seems to only date dudes that end up beating her, but my other sister has been put in the hospital by every woman she's dated. I know it's slim pickings, and rural Midwest lesbians have a lot to be mad about, but stop taking it out on each other! There are more deserving targets.
As a bi trans woman, I've definitely noticed similar trends between straight guys and lesbian women. And for anybody wondering, in my experience, lesbian trans women are equally as abusive as cis lesbian women, and straight trans men equally as predatory as cis straight men.
more genetics & culture.
Whatcha trying to say there?
Literal racist garbage.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but your initial comment was phrased in such a way as to dog-whistle racist eugenics talking points, in case you're wondering why people are hostile here. As for your last sentence I don't believe genetics works like that, which contributes to why you're giving off vaguely dog-whistle-y vibes.
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etβs go esbians!
A school friend of mine was shot in the back of the head by her lesbian lover a year after we graduated high school.
Jesus fucking Christ
Fatally?
Commit or get convicted of (hint: its impossible to measure crimes commited)
Assuming this is from the NISVS, it is a self-reported victim survey.
that would make it quite hard to get reliable information on the perpetrators' actual sexuality orientation outside of situations where the victim personally knows them
I guess bisexuals do literally 0 crime.
I support the message, but sure would like more info on the y axis: what exactly are 4 points of violent delinquency? How does that compare to 6, or 1?
Is there any average differences in hormones between gay and straight people of the same gender?
come on brothers. be gay do crime!
This morning I drove to the post office going 38 mph when the speed limit is 35. Last week I checked my phone at the social security office when the guard was distracted. Next week, who knows what depravity I may commit.
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