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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

NGL if you are paying 2/3 of your income to rent you need to move to another part of the world.

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    And then they raise rent. For what? They haven't upgraded anything. They haven't added any of that value to the property. Every year the house gets older. Cars lose value every year even if you maintain it perfectly.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    The land is what’s gaining value, not the structure on it

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    friend bought a house and was super excited about it. it cost her a pretty penny.

    It had black mold and almost killed her children. The landlord claimed they had no idea (they did)

    they left (sold the house) for more than what she paid for. This was in California, the housing market is completely and utterly f****

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Bought a house, but there was a landlord?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (6 children)

    yeah typically when you buy a house you get it from a landlord....

    do you think houses are sold on amazon?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Based on my experience, a house on the market is usally being sold by someone who lived in it. The seller being a landlord is plausible, but I'd usually just generically refer to that party as 'the seller'.

    Landlords tend to hold on to their revenue streams harder than a person holds on to their own residence.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    where does the person move to then after selling the house they live in? could it be...they have another house thus being a landlord?

    you are right on the second part, though.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Usually they have moved into their new home and have their uninhabited house on the market trying to get rid of it.

    Maybe I'm missing implication in another culture, but around me landlord specifically refers to someone owning a home that is being actively rented/leased by another. If you haven't had tenants, you aren't considered a landlord

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    uninhabited house on the market

    so landlords

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    If someone never had and is not looking for a tenant and is actively waiting for someone to buy their property, they are not a landlord.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    If there were only a set number of cars available and creating more was prohibitively expensive, cars would appreciate in value as well.

    And to be clear, I'm not talking about the house; building more of those is expensive, but doable. It's building more land that's the tricky part

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    When I did a vacation in Sri Lanka our guide told us some cars appreciated in price because the government increased (I believe it was that) import taxes.

    Edit: Appreciation due to car scarcity

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I'm not a landlord but the taxes go up every single year. Home insurance goes up every single year. Both often by a lot. Compared to 2019 my taxes are up 45% and my home insurance is up 500%.

    The land value is up purely because they ain't making any more of it.

    The cost to repair everything goes up every year. A part of my washing machine broke again. Part was $20 in 2017. Part was $60 4 months ago. Post Tarifs it will probably be closer to $100. Nevermind the labor if I can't DIY.

    Plenty of reasons for costs to go up each year.

    Real question is :

    Why the fuck aren't the wages going up?

    If that too kept up with inflation since the 1970s then we'd all be happier then pigs in shit.

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  • [+] 104 points 1 year ago (22 children)
  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My parents own multiple rental properties and completely straight face told me it's a charity cause they rent to people who can't afford homes.

    Meanwhile I'm engaging with my mutual aid group every week handing out about 400 meals, and survival gear for people who can't afford anything.

    Glad their fucking charity has turned enough profit to pay off the rentals, their main home, and their vacation spot though. /s

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    I just found an article (from 1955) by my grandma where she argued that she prefers renting over building a house because she has more freedom that way. She can move more easily because she doesn't have to find a buyer for her house, she doesn't have to worry about something breaking because that's on the landlord to fix and she doesn't have to go into debt to live somewhere.

    As far as I know she never owned a home, always rented. But all her kids bought houses.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I had a coworker liked that. He enjoyed renting because it meant having fewer responsibilities.

    I disagreed, and countered that renting means being more dependent on somebody else. Some landlords are excellent at responding to repair calls, but there are so many more that will leave you hanging for an indetermined amount of time, while leaks continue or appliances break. Personally, I'd rather not have the quality of life in my own home be dependent on someone who doesn't really care about me.

    Sadly, I don't have much of a choice. I would prefer being able to pick my own repair people or just fix simple things myself. Alas, like so many others, I work full time but remain stuck in the rent trap. So much for freedom.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    One of my coworkers said the same thing. After the third time they were forced to move they caved and bought a condo.

    One of my big concerns is that access to psychological benefits of keeping a pet gets to be gatekept by the whims of someone else.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm also that coworker. Bought a 1995 build house in 2013, and sold it last year. Holy cost of maintenance. Roof, foundation, HVAC, plumbing, gutters, siding. We upgraded the windows too, so that was a choice, but nothing else was. Didn't have money for professional interior upgrades because we were maintaining the structure itself instead.

    If I ever buy a house ever again, it will be a condo so I'm only responsible for the INSIDE. As of right now, after all that, I'm happy renting. I'm so disinterested with painting and whatnot, that it doesn't bug me to have white walls.

    I do agree that the pet situation sucks though. We have 2 "aggressive breeds" that were strays we picked up off the street years ago (2016 and 2020), a Pit mix and a Dobie mix. Finding someone to rent to us with those was a chore. And for the few years we rented out our home (military. Lived in it while we were stationed there, rented it out for a few years, moved back in when we returned to the same duty station), we didn't have a breed restriction.

    We're about to move across the country again, and I'm STOKED to be moving into an apartment. Rn we're renting a SFH and it has been so nice knowing that money we had saved up isnt about to disappear because the water heater broke or whatever.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    FYI: You might "only" be responsible for what is inside your condo but you are 100% on the hook for the costs external to your unit.

    Surfside in Miami has forced all of the Condos to re-imagine their finances. Some units are being hit with $100,000 Special Assessments to repair the foundation, or facade, or just keep sufficient balance. There is no way out of this except to sell. They can charge you whatever they want, whenever they want.

    Also "external" problems are also yours. One of the 5 units above yours flood into yours? That's a civil problem between you and the whichever unit it is. Good luck finding them, and getting your money. Even if you get it. You still have to deal with the trouble.

    Had condo suffer water damage 11 times in 8 years due to various reasons caused by units above. Basically on your own. Condo board is not getting involved. You get all the problems of someone else's lack of maintenance, and none of the benefits of your own maintenance.

    Condo Fees went from $110/month to $930/month because 'fuck me' I guess. No control over that either. You can petition the board but it's full of old nosy fucks.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oof, glad I read this so we know what questions to ask/red flags to look out for if we ever do pull the trigger on purchasing a condo!

    COA fees going from $110 to $930 is fucking wildly crazy work. Did they at least tell you WHY it shot up like that?

    And its also crazy that special assessments cab be billed for that high per unit. We'd be fucked! I thought the point of paying COA fees each month was supposed to spread the cost of maintenance around/ensure there are savings in the bank to cover major repairs!

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sure, but it sounds like she’s never been evicted for no reason.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    That does sound like a regulation problem in the capitalist hellacape that is the USA more than anything. I live in The Netherlands and evicting someone here is very difficult. A landlord needs to make his case in front of a judge and everything. There's one reason with which they can evict a tenant with a bit more ease and that's to use the property themselves, but they need to prove why they need it all of a sudden. And even then they need to pay the tenant roundabouts €7000 to help with the move.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    They kinda are necessary, given how they're the byproduct of capitalism's private property model and its commodification.

    You could technically remove them by having the state manage all the housing, but that's overly idealistic given how that'd go against the ruling class interests which would cause heavy lobbying by big landowners. It would also make the state a monopoly landowner which would have its own implications.

    In other words, they're necessary not because they're useful, but because of how dogshit the system is.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    People not understanding the actual cost of owning and maintaining a house is my only argument for landlords. Or if you maintain it yourself it's a knowledge and time requirement.

    Not saying landlords did a great job maintaining the rentals I've lived in. But there was definitely a point in my life where renting made more sense than owning a house.

    We really need more control on rent prices so only high density housing is rentable. Or something, I don't have answers for why my shitty house is worth 70% more than it was 5 years ago.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You don't need a Lord to maintain a property though. That is the function of a superintendent, which is a role small landlords sometimes assume, and yes that is a job that should be compensated.

    But it has nothing to do with owning and rentseeking.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My housing coop charges 38% market rate rent, maintains the common area, has a property manager, and provides units fridge/stove/furnace/AC, on 46 three bedroom townhouses.

    So either landlords are wildly inefficient with their expenses, or they are taking a crazy margin over their operating expenses.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Right, I'm not arguing that landlords are good. They seem to be a symptom of a system set up to encourage their shitty behavior.

    I do wonder if a housing co-op is protected by law in some way. Or more likely it relies on a few people having good intentions who are running it. A housing co-op with no intent of profiting, ever, would be a good system imo.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    There are companies that would do the maintenance for you, so I think if that was your concern, you could roll the dice with those while still actually owning the house.

    But I will say if you aren't going to be somewhere more than 2 years anyway (university or a work assignment), renting could make sense.

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  • [–] 102 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Please use gender neutral inclusive language, instead of landlord, use the gender neutral term, landleech.

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    [–] 70 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Landlord said to me "property tax has gone up. This is my only form of income. Will need to increase rent"

    Told him "yeah, everything has gone up and my paycheck is still the same".

    Like, these types of relationships are so parasitic. This is the "nice" mom and pop style landlord too that every liberal seems to want to give a pass too.

    Sure, are they less bad than the big corporate faceless landlords? Yes. But the entire relationship is the problem.

    They get to justify forcing me out of my home because the value of the house that they own WENT UP.

    That's why their property tax is more. They literally own something that is more valuable and making it further impossible for me to ever buy a place of my own.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If they offered to let you buy it for the fair market value of the home, would you? That's the only viable way for them to extract that house value without evicting you. A fair answer could be absolutely, and perhaps that should be something renters are given some rights to do, but just pointing out that a tax assessment doesn't mean they have usable money unless they can do something to cash in.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I literally asked. He said he's not selling.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    That is unfortunate.

    Old guy or younger guy? If this is their retirement income, they would probably be better off selling it and putting the proceeds into a nice account.

    Of course those accounts also profit off of the inconvenience of others, but with social security all messed up, some form of screwing with the active working generation is needed to model retirement of the older generation, and a financial account is less egregious than sitting on potentially available housing stock.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I think I can answer most of your questions by saying he comes over to discuss the lease in a Mercedes Maybach. An SUV that starts at $178,000.

    I don't think age or other things really matter at that point.

    He owns multiple properties and houses.

    But, still, my entire point is that this relationship in itself is what needs to die. It's not this individual dudes fault. It's a system that allows people like this to exist that produce nothing.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If that's their whole retirement investment maybe they should get a job

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sounds like they should get an actual job, rather than expecting someone else to pay for their retirement; someone who probably won't get to retire themselves

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why do we have to sacrifice our future ability to retire and own a house because they bought all the houses and retired first?

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    [–] 35 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    You know what's the fastest way to make landlords disappear? Ask about some broken shit around the house that they are required by law to fix. Radio silence for months guaranteed. Until the next rent increase of course.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    For a lot of them, they don't even care if there's tenant turnover, especially if its a high-demand area. There's no incentive to fix a broken AC; the tenants already signed the year lease. They can get to it next year when its time to clean up the place for the re-listing.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    If it's a longer term tenant, the landlord is actually disincentivized from fixing the AC, because they can fix the AC and jack the rent way up as soon as the old, abuse tenant inevitably leaves.

    One of my friends suffered through this during the recent heat wave. They've been told there's no budget for AC despite a recent $50 rent hike.

    Their landlord is an independently wealthy multimillionaire — they don't even need the money!

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  • [–] [S] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We don't have an instance stance on landlord apologia, but maybe we should make one, based on the number of people from other instances defending these mooching rent-seeking parasites.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    i hope you do; seeing it is a depressing reminder of how much americans think that exploitation like this is okay and even more depressing to see people exploited like this want to perpetuate it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Rent is due in 5 days.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Hey, those buildings and apartments aren’t gonna rent themselves! /s

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    You can tell it's hard earned from all the neglect

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Once again, may I introduce you to GEORGISM.

    Please, I know lemmy is a bit left leaning, and georgism are mostly libertarians/liberal, but the ideology is so centrist and common sense I'm sure even far left communist advocates can get behind it.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago*

    Leftists are aware of Goergism. They don't generally take it seriously because it's just 'one weird trick' reformism that's trying to save capitalism from itself. It doesn't change what capitalism is or the historical process it drives, it'll get clawed back immediately just like every other social democratic reform, and it would cause a full on capital revolt if you somehow magic lamp'ed it into practice such that you might as well just do the real revolution and actually overthrow capitalism for the same amount of effort.

    but the ideology is so centrist and common sense

    I really just commented as an excuse to lol at this line.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Can you give a TLDR for this if possible

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Georgism is an ideology broadly based on taxing the full value of land, in order to prevent rentseeking.

    So rather than taxing people for the property they built/bought, you tax the land which no one made.

    The value of the land is based on the progress society made in that area, so when you tax the full unimproved value of the land, you prevent landlords from essentially leeching on the results of society progress that they did not directly contirubute to.

    You can still buy land, but when you do you must pay full rent to the government, so technically, if the government did own all the land and lease it out for rent, it would be goergist in practice(but not in spirit, since goergism wants to protect property rights)

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It boils down to property tax as a means of preventing land accumulation and tax revenue generation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

    I don’t see how that would have worked even when it was invented.

    Right now you can see how the rich own all the land and have no need to use or sell it. This way they create a shortage and can charge a higher price for the land they use or sell. IMO the only way to break this up to stop charging property tax at all - because all land ownership goes back to the state. If someone wants to use land they rent it from the state. If they do not use or misuse rented land the land goes to a different renter (or to the state).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (10 children)

    Hey there. Never heard of it, actually. Thanks, I'll find a time to read about it.

    What I find interesting in this particular libertarian initiative so far, is that it is addressing an existing systematic issue. Almost all other libertarians I come around seem to be speaking about their and everyone else's morality and righteousness, naively thinking that once we all become moral and righteous, society would become as well.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Exactly. Georgism could be studied as an interesting historical curiosity, but it never took off, and was a historical failure, whereas Marxism especially in the USSR and China abolished land-owning rent-seeking, and the massive economic drain that caused.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I know I'm going to get downvoted for this, but since the USSR was a historical failure and Marxists claim China isn't actually Communist but Capitalist, can't we say the same for Marxism? An interesting historical curiosity, but it was never actually implemented and thus can't be said to have ever taken off.

    Both Georgists and Marxists get to complain about how things would be so much better if someone would actually just do it the right way for once. I say this as a left leaning Georgist Libertarian, to my heart in the right place Marxist cousins.

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    The vast and rapid modernization and industrialization of Russia at the start was a success, but my opinion is that Marxist-Leninism stopped in the USSR when Stalin seized the country and turned it into a crony dictatorship. I don't believe that lasted long enough to be truly called a success, as it immediately fell to the authoritarianism it overthrew from the monarchy.

    If you don't think that Stalinism was the death of Marxist-Leninism in the USSR then the bread lines, famines, forced labor and relocation, imperial expansionism, etc. as broadly reported by those that lived there and lived through it are a product of socialism. I also believe that would count as failures of socialism and not proof of success.

    I agree with you that the PRC is still nominally socialist, but believe they also went Stalinist instead of Marxist-Leninist. I would call them Stalinist Communist rather than socialist. I also do not think the juice was worth the squeeze with the number of dead in the revolution and aftermath, but there is no telling what an alternative would have looked like so that is just, like, my opinion man. I personally don't consider China as a socialist success story, but instead another warning example for how easily Communism can be corrupted/captured from within.

    I totally give you that Marxist-Leninism was the defining ideology of the 20th century, but I'd call it the fuse that lead to "Communism" the failed authoritarian ideology. Like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand is to WWI. That is a hell of a lot more than Georgism ever got, to be sure, but would still say there has never been a successful Marxist country because they never remain Marxist for long.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago

    since the USSR was a historical failure and Marxists claim China isn’t actually Communist but Capitalist

    Both of those claims are false.

    This short video on obstacles to the China path in Latin America gets into exactly what we're talking about, the abolition of the rent-seeking parasitic sector of the economy that the Chinese revolution abolished.

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    Rome lasted between 400 and 1500

    I don't think the timeframe is any good at identifying the failure. I'm not sure that Rome has seen as many historical events as the USSR: two world wars, television, nukes, space, computers to name a few. The correct answer here is that we can learn from experiments such as Rome, Paris Commune, and the USSR. We can't learn from Putin though, assuming we both don't want to build a relatively stable authoritarian proto fascist regime.

    Stalin never stood in a bread line

    Realistically, how do you imagine that? Because I can't: you've built an authoritarian state with one party on the top, the country is not in the best condition. right now. There is no place for martyrdom here, you are obliged to rule the state while the things are as they are. I do not agree to shit on Stalin/Castro/Mao for exercising more lavish lifestyle than the common people. I can agree to shit on them for creating the system where they are the center of the country though.

    On a side note, do you know the story of Vasily Stalin? He was Stalin's son and he did not have such privileges.

    There seems to be an inherent vulnerability to revolutionary political actions to co-option by charismatic strongmen.

    Historical irony here is that Lenin himself discusses this in "What is to be done?", giving the example of Napoleon if I'm not mistaken. He's all for democracy though.

    staying out of everyone's personal life

    The first thing Bolsheviks did, was cancelling the persecution by political reasons (being gay included) and legitimizing abortions.


    Overall I see that although you identify as a right winger, we don't have that different world view and how the world should be. I very much appreciate you being honest. Such threads make me love humanity more

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    To be fair, you haven't heard of it because it isn't particularly relevant.

    I think that is because georgism is a centrist ideology. Centrist ideology isn't attractive, and therefore georgism isn't popular.

    But your opinion isn't wrong either. Georgism will only fix landlord problem but it will not fix corporation problem

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's like saying that some culture doesn't require my attention because the European one is superior

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    You've dismissed the other person's political views on the premise of Marxism including the Georgism. There are reasons why this person is not aligned with other Marxists' takes and I would like to know them. You just view yourself superior to them

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