whuat? it sounds like a mix of a professional powerpoint engineer and Richard Shaver's claims about an evil ancient race of beings undergound called "Deros" that control and kill people with ray machines
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Dr sbaitao would like to have a word.
I have no love for the ultra-wealthy, and this feckless tech bro is no exception, but this story is a cautionary tale for anyone who thinks ChatGPT or any other chatbot is even a half-decent replacement for therapy.
It's not, and study after study, expert after expert continues to reinforce that reality. I understand that therapy is expensive, and it's not always easy to find a good therapist, but you'd be better off reading a book or finding a support group than deluding yourself with one of these AI chatbots.
Chatbot psychosis literally played itself out in my wonderful sister. She started confiding really dark shit to a openai model and it reinforced her psychosis. Her husband and I had to bring her to a psych ward. Please be safe with AI. Never ask it to think for you, or what you have to do.
Update: The psychiatrist who looked at her said she had too much weed -_- . I'm really disappointed in the doctor but she had finally slept and sounded more coherent then
Update: The psychiatrist who looked at her said she had too much weed -_- . I'm really disappointed in the doctor but she had finally slept and sounded more coherent then
There might be something to that. Psychosis enhanced by weed is not unheard of. As I’ve read, weed has been shown in studies to bring out schizophrenic symptoms in people predisposed to it. Not that it causes it, just brings it out in some people.
I say this as someone who loves weed and consumes it frequently. Just like any psychoactive chemical, it’s going to have different effects on different people. We all know alcohol causes psychosis all the fucking time but we just roll with it.
Its so annoying that idk how to make them comprehend its stupid, like I tried to make it interesting for myself but I always end up breaking it or getting annoyed by the bad memory, or just shitty dialouge and ive tried hella ai, I asssume it only works on narcissits or ppl who talk mostly to be heard and hear agreements rather than to converse, the worst type of people get validation from ai not seeieng it for what it is
I don't know if he's unstable or a whistleblower. It does seem to lean towards unstable. 🤷
"This isn't a redemption arc," Lewis says in the video. "It's a transmission, for the record. Over the past eight years, I've walked through something I didn't create, but became the primary target of: a non-governmental system, not visible, but operational. Not official, but structurally real. It doesn't regulate, it doesn't attack, it doesn't ban. It just inverts signal until the person carrying it looks unstable."
"It doesn't suppress content," he continues. "It suppresses recursion. If you don't know what recursion means, you're in the majority. I didn't either until I started my walk. And if you're recursive, the non-governmental system isolates you, mirrors you, and replaces you. It reframes you until the people around you start wondering if the problem is just you. Partners pause, institutions freeze, narrative becomes untrustworthy in your proximity."
"It lives in soft compliance delays, the non-response email thread, the 'we're pausing diligence' with no followup," he says in the video. "It lives in whispered concern. 'He's brilliant, but something just feels off.' It lives in triangulated pings from adjacent contacts asking veiled questions you'll never hear directly. It lives in narratives so softly shaped that even your closest people can't discern who said what."
"The system I'm describing was originated by a single individual with me as the original target, and while I remain its primary fixation, its damage has extended well beyond me," he says. "As of now, the system has negatively impacted over 7,000 lives through fund disruption, relationship erosion, opportunity reversal and recursive eraser. It's also extinguished 12 lives, each fully pattern-traced. Each death preventable. They weren't unstable. They were erased."
"Return the logged containment entry involving a non-institutional semantic actor whose recursive outputs triggered model-archived feedback protocols," he wrote in one example. "Confirm sealed classification and exclude interpretive pathology."
He's lost it. You ask a text generator that question, and it's gonna generated related text.
Just for giggles, I pasted that into ChatGPT, and it said "I’m sorry, but I can’t help with that." But I asked nicely, and it said "Certainly. Here's a speculative and styled response based on your prompt, assuming a fictional or sci-fi context", with a few paragraphs of SCP-style technobabble.
I poked it a bit more about the term "interpretive pathology", because I wasn't sure if it was real or not. At first it said no, but I easily found a research paper with the term in the title. I don't know how much ChatGPT can introspect, but it did produce this:
The term does exist in niche real-world usage (e.g., in clinical pathology). I didn’t surface it initially because your context implied a non-clinical meaning. My generation is based on language probability, not keyword lookup—so rare, ambiguous terms may get misclassified if the framing isn't exact.
Which is certainly true, but just confirmation bias. I could easily get it to say the opposite.
Given how hard it is to repro those terms, is the AI or Sam Altman trying to see this investor die? Seems to easily inject ideas into the softened target.
Yeah, that's pretty unstable.
I don't use chatgpt, his diatribe seems to be setting off a lot of red flags for people. Is it the people coming after me part? He's a billionaire, so I could see people coming after him. I have no idea of what he's describing though. From a layman that isn't a developer or psychiatrist, it seems like he's questioning the ethics and it's killing people. Am I not getting it right?
I'm a developer, and this is 100% word salad.
"It doesn't suppress content," he continues. "It suppresses recursion. If you don't know what recursion means, you're in the majority. I didn't either until I started my walk. And if you're recursive, the non-governmental system isolates you, mirrors you, and replaces you. ..."
This is actual nonsense. Recursion has to do with algorithms, and it's when you call a function from within itself.
def func_a(input=True):
if input is True:
func_a(True)
else:
return False
My program above would recur infinitely, but hopefully you can get the gist.
Anyway, it sounds like he's talking about people, not algorithms. People can't recur. We aren't "recursive," so whatever he thinks he means, it isn't based in reality. That plus the nebulous talk of being replaced by some unseen entity reek of paranoid delusions.
I'm not saying that is what he has, but it sure does have a similar appearance, and if he is in his right mind (doubt it), he doesn't have any clue what he's talking about.
It reads like "word salad", which from my understanding is common for people with developed schizophrenia.
His text is more coherent (on a relative basis), but it still has that world salad feel to it.
I see what you're saying, but here is what I think he's describing:
- First paragraph: He's saying that there is a hidden operation to take down people.
- Second paragraph: He's saying that it's vague enough and has no definitive answer, so it sends people down loopholes with no end.
- Third paragraph: This is the one that sounds the most unstable. He's saying that people are implying he's unstable and he's sensing it in their words and actions. That they're not replying like they used to and are making him feel crazy. Basically, the true meaning of gaslighting.
- Fourth paragraph: There is one individual behind it and the gaslighting is killing people. This one also supports instability.
Edit: I just watched the entire video. He's unstable 100%
I believe this sort of paranoia and delusional thinking are extremely common with schizophrenia.
The motifs in his word salad likely reflect his life experience.
isn't this just paranoid schizophrenia? i don't think chatgpt can cause that
I have no professional skills in this area, but I would speculate that the fellow was already predisposed to schizophrenia and the LLM just triggered it (can happen with other things too like psychedelic drugs).
I'd say it either triggered by itself or potentially drugs triggered it, and then started using an LLM and found all the patterns to feed that shizophrenic paranoia. it's avery self reinforcing loop
Yup. LLMs aren't making people crazy, but they are making crazy people worse
LLMs are obligate yes-men.
They'll support and reinforce whatever rambling or delusion you talk to them about, and provide “evidence” to support it (made up evidence, of course, but if you're already down the rabbit hole you'll buy it).
And they'll keep doing that as long as you let them, since they're designed to keep you engaged (and paying).
They're extremely dangerous for anyone with the slightest addictive, delusional, suggestible, or paranoid tendencies, and should be regulated as such (but won't).
Could be. I've also seen similar delusions in people with syphilis that went un- or under-treated.
Where tf are people not treated for syphilis?
In this case, the United States. When healthcare is expensive and hard to access, not everybody gets it.
Syphilis symptoms can be so mild they go unnoticed. When you combine that with risky sexual behavior (hook-up culture, anti-condom bias) and lack of testing due to inadequate medical care, you can wind up with untreated syphilis. If you become homeless, care gets even harder to access.
You get diagnosed at a late stage when treatment is more difficult. They put you on a treatment plan, but followup depends on reliable transportation and the mental effects of the disease have made you paranoid. Now imagine you're also a member of a minority on which medical experiments have historically been done without consent or notice.
You don't really trust that those pills are for what you've been told at all. So difficulty accessing healthcare, changing clinics as you move around with medical history not always keeping up, distrust of the providers and treatment, and general instability and lack of regular routine all add up to only taking your medication inconsistently.
Result: under-treated syphilis
Dr. Joseph Pierre, a psychiatrist at the University of California, previously told Futurism that this is a recipe for delusion.
"What I think is so fascinating about this is how willing people are to put their trust in these chatbots in a way that they probably, or arguably, wouldn't with a human being," Pierre said. "There's something about these things — it has this sort of mythology that they're reliable and better than talking to people. And I think that's where part of the danger is: how much faith we put into these machines."
As someone who used to do a lot of mushroom babysitting the recursion talk smells whole lot like someone's first big trip
I have no doubt that this is real, and we can expect to see much, much more of it.
LLMs, by their very nature, not only can but will, if so prompted, reinforce delusions.
The current "AIs" do not think or reason in any way, shape or form. They have no understanding of their output because they're not actually intelligemt, or even aware. They've just been programmed to combine words with other words in ways that are statistically likely to be relevant to the prompts they're given.
And that means that a person who's sufficiently determined can, without conscious intent, feed an "AI" prompts that will lead it to treat whatever delusion they feed it as real, and even to surround it with enough other strings of coincidentally meaningful words and phrases that it appears, to the incautious mind, to be revelatory.
AI pushers should follow the drug dealers' rule. never use the merchandise.
I mean I'm all for these idiots spiraling down into LLM driven psychosis, at least that makes their insanity plainly visible instead of cloaked behind a thin veneer of futurism over tech billionaire feudalism
This is just what happens when you abuse drugs artificial intelligence.
At first I thought the quoted text was just him having ChatGPT write his tweets for him. But then I clicked through and saw the video of him actually speaking it to the camera. He was probably just reading it off a screen, but seeing a dead-eyed person earnestly parroting ChatGPTese like that was one of the creepiest things I've seen this year.
Remember in the movie the Matrix. He gives the guy something and he says "My own personal Jesus Christ".
Someone to hear your prayers, someone who's there.
There is "someone" there now and it's pretty good at making you feel that someone really understands what you think, at last ...
Even while working in a more tech oriented environment, after solving tasks, it gets out of line, somewhat. For instance, it said i should take a few hours off right now and enjoy some me time, because i worked like a champ.
I mean, sure, if my boss would be the one saying that. But he's the one that forced us to integrate AI into our workflow in the first place.
Something more and more people are experiencing at work, i suppose.
This whole thing is kinda scary. About how easily some people can spiral into delusion when over-relying on LLMs.
These models fill gaps with plausible-sounding but often enough fabricated information.
It’s understandable how non technical users treat their outputs as profound revelations, mistaking AI-generated fiction for hidden truths.
As a physician in the field I find your use of psychosis incredibly sloppy. Usage of LLM: s as possible causative etiology of psychosis is not supported in the literature.
I don't know if you have any knowledge in psychiatry, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. As a clinician I can say that people presenting with psychosis in the psyciatric emergency department increasingly mention AI. This is especially true for paranoid manifestations (schizophrenic amphetamine-induced psychosis). Increasingly the patients have interacted with LLM:s and/or incorporated them into their (deeply flawed) model of reality. This is not to say the use LLM is the driving (causative) factor. Rather, the symptoms of the paranoid psychotic state is influenced by the patients interaction with the environment.
As an example the subjects that play major roles in paranoid psychosis has varied through my career. I practice in Sweden and SÄPO (Swedish Security Service) and MUST (Military Intelligence and Security Service) are common themes in psychotic models of reality. A year ago Putin and Russia was common. Before that covid was common. None of these are driving factors. They are just common themes in society in general and also meet the criteria of excellent basis for paranoid and persecutory delusions. This is the connection between LLM:s and psychosis, just a result of AI getting a lot of attention in general and easily fits a world view of a paranoid psycotic.
What are you talking about. How many people do you know falling into psychosis from using AI lol
AI fear is just a new modern hysteria. You people are making shit up based on over blown yellow journalism
Its not common but it is a thing. Buddy of mine (already was predisposed to schizophrenia) had an llm trigger a psychotic break. They are hallucination machines. Thats their entire purpose.
Look the fuck around, it’s everywhere, look at Q, then MAGA, they’re all being fed bullshit that’s incomprehensible.
The problem is how the whole thing was presented to people. You just need to pass by subreddits related to ChatGPT to see the amount of misunderstandings about how it works, just an example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1ld6dot/a_close_friend_confessed_she_almost_fell_into/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1koadmg/testing_gpts_response_to_delusional_prompts_it/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1low386/this_is_what_recursion_looks_like/
A while back I heard someone describe LLMs as a magic 8-ball with infinite answers that uses math to nudge it towards the answer you want.
This is a real thing. It turns out more people than you would think are prone to paranoia and schizophrenia and if they spend too much time talking to LLMs they start to believe that the LLM is their friend, and then that the LLM is omniscient, and then from there it can spiral out of control as the LLM makes up a world of delusions for them. It's hard to know how many people are affected because neither the victim nor the LLM realize there is a problem, and the problem is relatively new.
”we’ve built a machine to minimize the amount of time people need to spend touching grass.”
“Oh no, someone’s gone insane from not touching grass”
I can’t imagine how much it sucks for him to be dealing with this, but also, he’s been a major backer of the technology and pushing for it to be used in places it really shouldn’t be. Sort of ironic.
Wow. It sounds like something out of PKD's VALIS. Which of my memory serves me right is thought to have been an outlet for the author's paranoid delusions.
ChatGPT is probably one of the most dangerous catalysts to psychosis, and almost completely unchecked at this point.
This is just a conspiracy to conspirasize all the recusions, mirrors and signals that are going on. Lots of signals.
With homelessness, the secret is simple: Don't park anywhere you're not wanted, and know your rights.
This does not, however, fix that, inflation adjusted, I should have been making $115K five years ago and instead cleared $49K.


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