OMG HE KILLED KENNY!!!

That was a different incident, when he was negotiating with his label, iirc. I think he brought two doves to release as a symbol of peace and when negotiations went south, he intentionally bit their heads off.

The bat incident is very well-documented, and is definitely a different story.

Dude, the internet is full of videos of the latter. As far as I can tell that's a pretty frequent occurrence - your analogy does not hold.

If you say oopsie daisy afterwards, it's an accident.

If I remember correctly it was supposed to be a rubber prop, but he didn't check and just went for it.

Ah, I should've done some more research before sounding off

How much has society fucked me when my first thought was "well at least it was mutual abuse and he didn't rape a minor".

No. None of it is okay, what the fuck brain.

Ha, good point

Ok, you're officially right, as in he did not pee on the actual Alamo... he peed on the Alamo Cenotaph Monument, which is the monument to honor those who fell in the battle. I'm not sure that's any better, and I can understand why the Texans were upset by it.

After making that comment, I went and compared first album dates with other bands I thought came out at a similar time, and sabbath was 5 or 10 yrs ahead of them. And Ive no idea when Earth got started. But yea King Crimson and some hippy rock who were getting a little heavier where the only big names I saw listed as metal in 1970.

I stand by he didnt invent it singlehandly, but dam if anyone else could contend for title of Grandfather of metal. I made it to a few ozzfeasts in the late 90s early 00s, great time. He fucking rocked.

You can waste all sorts of time on the net arguing with people about who started what genres. Then you start getting into terms like proto-metal, etc.

No personal issue with your choice because it's a fucking awesome song, but if wanted to be one of those assholes I'd say it's heavy prog rock, in the pool of music metal would later draw from. That said, I'm no musicologist, and somewhere right now there's someone in a black t-shirt with a very cool but difficult to read band name on it reading this, aghast.

I think we can all agree that Black Sabbath is a cornerstone in what metal generally (and specifically sludge, stoner metal, etc.) developed into.

Tbf there are quite a few magnificent MAGMA albums out there. Certainly not as influental as the first four or five Sabbath albums, but on the progressive/psychedelic department, pretty damn good stuff.

It was not "his band". Although Ozzy was in Black Sabbath from the beginning, he was enlisted by Bill Ward and Tony Iommi together with Geezer Butler because as a drummer and a guitarist with a vision they needed bass and vocals with them.

Ozzy was kicked out in 1979 and started his solo career in the shock rock tradition he is mostly known for. The idea that sparked Black Sabbath however was a heavier blues than ever heard before and that was Ward and Iommi.

As you say, they were some of the originators of heavy metal. There is no single inventor of the genre. There never is. Culture is cross pollination and collaboration.

Great summary, but just as a point of order apparently the bat might not have actually been alive when he bit it: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c72ppzwek90o

That being said, he apparently did on a separate occasion bite the heads off of two live doves. Dude was on hella drugs and alcohol, but goddamn was he talented.