folks,i know this is OT but i decided to post here as i'm sure there are a lot of people here that work in IT and know what thay are talking about. The recent MS failure is what i would like your opinion on.

from what I've seen, MS declared that a bunch of servers went offline and the load had to be spread on remaining servers. They fail to identify what caused the first bunch of servers encountering issues and they claim it was mot related to a hacker attack (why would they, it would lead to massive panic and distrust). So, then what caused the issue in the first place? Could it have been a piloted denail of service attack?

I'm sure the truth will emerge in coming days but was interested in the more tech savy people's opinione. In the meantime i rejoyce for not having to depend of third party infrastructure at home, thanks to my little homelab.

A further consideration is that this does once again prove that companies that put all their eggs in one basket, are at yhe mercy of big tech. i experienced this personally at works where comunication by Teams and Outlooks was pretty much halted for hours.

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[–] 27 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

fire 20% of their personnel

slopify

things fail

Sounds like a closed case to me.

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  • [–] 20 points 13 hours ago

    I'm sure it all came down to poor upper management decisions which they will try to blame on technology

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  • [–] 17 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

    By 2030 AI is gonna completely replace sysadmins as the cause of outages.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 hours ago

    The main reason for problems: Bad IT administration that relies way too much on Microsoft.

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  • [–] 10 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

    I'm sure the truth will emerge in coming days but was interested in the more tech savy people's opinione.

    Why speculate when you will get it dfrom the horses mouth in a couple days?

    But my 2¢ is a bad code being deployed.

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  • [–] 5 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

    Upper management should do things and moves to avoid bad code deploying.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    Why should upper manglement have a say in this? They only thing any manglement should say is Yes to a digital twin for a test environment to catch crap like this before it becomes a global outage.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

    Something something health control on too much servers shut them down, which made the others overloaded. My money is on the health monitoring being vibecoded.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

    I blame Jensen's leather jacket. It's clearly way too powerful.

    EDIT: There's...a 3rd mistress now? Giggity.

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  • [–] 9 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

    There's been rumours about insufficient capacity on Microsoft cloud services around Europe for a while. Unofficial of course, and who knows how many "broken phones" has been on the chain before me, so don't take that as a fact. However, Microsoft stated that the problem started when they increased capacity, so maybe some initial synchronization or load balancing starting up caused extra load on the servers already running on pretty much full load and caused cascading failure.

    Of course I don't know for sure and I don't expect we'll get a full technical brief with details and the main reason is management problems no matter what's the technical cause. I hope at least someone wearing a suit starts to think that maybe cloud isn't really the answer to everything. And it's not just 3654, a shit ton of different cloud services relies on AWS, Cloudflare and other players and if any of those goes down they'll take considerable chunk of business critical infrastructure with them.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 hours ago

    All I can say for sure, is that nobody knows for sure.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 hours ago

    At the moment, we can only guess. My guess: an update (maybe of a load balancer) went wrong. We will never know for sure.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

    this does once again prove that companies that put all their eggs in one basket, are at yhe mercy of big tech.

    I am certainly no Microsoft lover, but 12-24hrs of downtime every few years seems like a highly reliable system compared to the cost of rolling your own software stack for the majority of companies.

    If this event turns out to be a harbinger of what's to come I'll change my tune but I would be shocked if this single period of downtime led to a shift away from Outlook.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 hours ago

    but 12-24hrs of downtime every few years seems like a highly reliable system

    1. We don't call it o351 because it has '12-24hrs of downtime every few years'.
    2. In the enterprise space, the target is a few minutes each year.
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  • [–] 4 points 3 hours ago

    There's a lot more downtime than that. It's just that most of them are limited in size or scope, and don't generate headlines. I'm pretty sure their service status page is public. Services are frequently degraded for a subset of users.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago

    rolling your own can have pretty small downtime. The biggest issue in the past was places did not want to spend on hardware that did not do anything but take over. Also disk failure was the most common big issue which is way lower with ssd's. it does not take a whole lot of spend to keep downtime away but so many places want to pinch every penny.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    I think it is a cascading effect some unmaintained and forgotten server gave out causing others to fall.

    Thats what think not based on any facts.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 hours ago* (7 children)

    I’m sure this day loss of productivity and not even a total outage will have everyone hiring teams to run their email. I’m sure it’ll be cheaper and definitely more reliable 🙄

    Y’all really don’t understand how the money flows or how expensive it is to run this shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago (3 children)

    Do you really think a self hosting community has no idea how difficult and time consuming self hosting email is?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    Yes, this is basically a bunch of home lab enthusiasts. There's nothing wrong with that but doing it for even a small business of 50 people is extremely different in terms of requirements.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago

    Have you spent any time in these 'home lab enthusiasts' spaces? Nobody here is suggesting that you should go and self host email. Nobody is making it sound easy. In fact if you look at posts talking about email, almost every time the subject of email comes up you have a significant portion of the community saying it's outright not worth self hosting email. It's such a time consuming and opaque process to figure out why email isn't being sent or received that few do so.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    Yeah, any time someone says "I'm thinking about hosting for a business" my answer is "run away screaming". Or set up as a business yourself. Never ever provide for a business as an individual, especially not without being paid enough to insure yourself.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 hours ago

    Not to mention this doesn't really nudge their 99% uptime stat. Unless this kind of downtime event becomes a pattern then I find it hard to believe companies are going to start investing in their own software stacks especially when most of them couldn't afford it in the first place.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 hours ago

    This community isn't really the place for pragmatic takes on this kind of stuff. It's largely homelab style hobbyists that have no idea about running anything for more than maybe 2-3 people (probably solo in most cases).

    Unfortunately none of the actual professional communities from reddit seem to have active equivalents on Lemmy.

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