I'm a lemmy.zip user and I moderate two communities. One of them is new and another has about 350 subscribers. A recent issue related to .zip weighs too heavily on me to be able to stay on the instance.

I've had PieFed on my radar for a while now, as evidenced by the registration date of this account, but because moving community subscribers is hard and requires regular reminders, I postponed their migration. To this end, it's worth noting that PieFed currently allows to pull some old posts if you migrate, making it superior to Lemmy for moving a community.

Being fresh off of what I'm convinced are instances of brigading of my community, I also appreciate Rimu's focus on voting and activity patterns, as well as what looks like attempts to offer mod tools that aid with those and other tasks.

So the PieFed software feels like an obvious choice. What I'm struggling with is picking an instance. Aside from fedinsfw, .social is the only instance that has enough monthly active users, 1,500, to compete with some of the bigger Lemmy instances. Excluding these two, the others get around 300 monthly at best. The latest version of PieFed, 1.8, is from a month ago, but many are running on outdated versions. This is a problem because I like PieFed's active pace of development. Even my own bug report and a wording suggestion from just recently were quickly addressed. Outdated versions wouldn't be able to make use of these improvements.

Going instance by instance, here's my thought process:

  • Looking at the numbers, piefed.social is the way to go. However, given that my previous two instances involved serious disagreements with the staff, I don't want to run into a situation where I'm at odds with Rimu, as it could also close the door to my contributions to PieFed as a whole, either by my choice or by Rimu's.

  • piefed.zip and piefed.world are not acceptable, as I've already been through those.

  • piefed.ca is the next best based on its number of users, but it's on PieFed 1.7 and I haven't been able to reach the admins over the past two days. One criterion I'm looking for after being brigaded is being able to urgently get in touch with an admin, so responsiveness matters.

  • feddit.online is up to date, but I can't quite understand it. It's positioned as being separate from .social, but its main admin is a generic name, there are two main admins from .social, and one other admin with zero public activity.

  • piefed.blahaj.zone runs on an older version of PieFed. One moderator of a flagship community on lemmy.blahaj.zone also moderates a community with a long history of brigading and harassment, so I'm not sure it's a great choice.

And that's it for the instances with at least 100 monthly users. Given that everything is federated, you'd think the per-instance user counts don't matter, but my limited understanding of how federation works is that posts may not even be pulled if there aren't enough users subscribing to the communities they originate from. Moreover, if an instance is not attracting enough users, I feel it is more likely to be closed down.

I could go over some of the others, but there's some seemingly petty drama involving the next on the list, so it may be best not to.

Edit: Corrected one fact about feddit.online.

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[–] 10 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

You haven't been able to reach us? How did you try? What's up?

Dming support@lemmy.ca will get you the fastest response, rather than pinging us directly on piefed.

I don't think rimu does release notifications anywhere, so i just upgrade it when I remember. If you ever want piefed.ca upgraded, you can just poke me and it's easy for me to do

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

    Glad to know you're around, even if that's not particularly obvious! I saw that smorks has no public activity, while you and mp3 were last active on PieFed months ago, so I contacted the two admins who were recently active on PieFed: Recursive (via Matrix, as my new .ca account was restricted from DMing) and Otter (from this account, after receiving no reply from Recursive).

    The reason I avoided anything that looked like a global mail system that potentially goes to everyone is that when push comes to shove, it's rare that all admins have equal say, so I wanted to get to the current lead admin to ask them my questions that could help decide whether the instance is the right fit for me. I may DM you now that you're here!

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago

    Hi Rose, just coming across this post now. I did reply to the message, but in case it didn't go through, I can also send the reply to a different account. Would it be ok to send it to this one?

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  • [–] 5 points 22 hours ago* (1 child)

    feddit.online has been great for me and I would recommend it. Also if your lemmy.zip account is a similar username, that would make feddit.online the power instance for soccer posting, which would be fun.

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  • [–] 3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    Hi Rose! MULTIVERSE admin here! If your communities are the ones I see moderated by @rose@lemmy.zip, I'd be happy to help you make a home for them here. Big fan of the one that's getting brigaded. We're an anarchist instance with a rule against promoting authoritarianism, and we've defederated the tankie triad. Might be a good match. As for the bigger community, I think it would be a great addition to our instance as long as it's not, like, a pro-capitalism pro-AI kind of community. Talking about free games and Tim Sweeney sounds like great fun!

    Only problem I can foresee as definitely being an issue for you is that dbzer0 has defederated us, so you won't get traffic from that site.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 15 hours ago (1 child)

    Thanks. I'll keep your instance in mind, and even if I go with another, things can go wrong, as they do. Hopefully never again, but there's no way to predict the future. I'd want the admins of my instance to be hands off though, even if they absolutely disagree with what's being posted (obvious things like hate speech aside, of course). Probably the only time I'd want them to step in is if I couldn't solve a problem with mod tools.

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  • [–] 3 points 15 hours ago

    thing is that .social is going to be the one that always is on the latest. I agree with others that users don't matter as federation makes (theoretically) everything available. As long as your federated to the large instances their users should interact with the community same as if it was local to their instance.

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  • [–] 4 points 21 hours ago

    As others have said, total active instance user numbers shouldn't really matter. I believe fedinsfw.app is the only instance de-federated (though .social "silences" quokk.au, so you would miss out on .social user, if on quokk.au), so you really don't need to worry about that.

    You can check out this weekly post, if you want to see data to help you choose from the top instances.

    "MAU - Difference (Piefed):" or "MAU - Change (%, Piefed):" can give you a rough idea if a specific instance has been growing, shrinking, or holding stable.

    I use "MAU/HYAU (%, Relative, >10 MAU)" (in the "Retention" tables) as a rough barometer of how well users like their instances. It measures how many half year active users have been active in the last month, relative to all the other Piefed instances that have been around the same amount of time.

    The fit isn't great, so it shouldn't really be used to compare instances with significantly different number of days being active/online, but works pretty well for similar start dates ("Server Active (Days)"). Positive is better, but generally I'd say just avoid anything heavily negative (for Piefed, worse than -25%).

    Let me know if you have any specific questions about the data and I can give you more info.

    Also, if you're not aware, !fedigrow@lemmy.zip has some helpful links in the sidebar to help federate your moved groups to more instances (once you've moved them).

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  • [–] 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    Fwiw, PieFed.zip really struggled with their last update but says that it is currently running v1.9.0-dev. (which is somehow a higher version than PieFed.social? I don't have time to get into this right now but hopefully this observation helps point you in the right direction at least:-)

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  • [–] 3 points 15 hours ago

    .zip actually runs the development version of PieFed instead of the stable version that .social is running on. It sometimes means that things break for them, but it also means that they get early access to some features.

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