Apologies if this should be posted somewhere else.

I have had this TV for about 7 years and have never had this pop up before. About a month ago, I bought a router that uses OpenWRT. With that, I setup up Adguard and specifically one of the lists that is supposed to block devices from phoning home.

Am I nuts thinking that this pop up is due to the TV not being able to offload what has been recorded? How would I check that?

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[–] 144 points 1 day ago (1 child)

It probably ran out of space because the logs were getting spammed with "server unreachable" messages (because it could not send privacy-invading tracking data).

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  • [–] 89 points 21 hours ago

    Well that's most probably what happened.

    GamersNexus' report showed that their LG TV would hold onto logs and recordings until it could reach the server to send them.

    If you block it from reaching the server, I guess they never delete.

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  • [–] 76 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    No, you're not nuts to think that. For starters, you could try to clear the cache to free up some space:

    https://thetechgorilla.com/how-to-clear-cache-samsung-tv/

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I want to see if someone has a suggestion to verify. If I can’t then I’m going to clear the cache and then see if it happens again.

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  • [–] 63 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

    Sam was here and took your RAM

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  • [–] 18 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

    I sort of love the idea of Sam living on past his eventual death as some sort of computer problem cryptid.

    Beware The Saltman, he'll creep into your home and feast on your RAM. He'll corrupt your hard drive. He'll melt your GPU.

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  • [–] 46 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

    Kind of wild it has "factory reset" and still keeps your network settings. What else does it keep?

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  • [–] 31 points 22 hours ago (12 children)

    Factory reset it then don’t connect it to the Internet at all. It looks like you have a computer connected to it, just use that. KDE even has a big screen interface.

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  • [–] 30 points 20 hours ago (11 children)

    "except for network settings". You can't delete your Wi-Fi details, even with a factory reset. I tried to add a second network (hotspot) then disable that network, but it just reconnected to the old one.

    I gave up and added a MAC address block on my router.

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  • [–] 9 points 19 hours ago* (10 children)

    you can't just change the WiFi ssid and password?

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  • [–] 20 points 19 hours ago (9 children)

    Not on the TV. It won't accept one that doesn't work, and remembers and reverts to any old one if it can't connect to the new one.

    I could change the router SSID or password, but I have far too many devices, and a MAC address block was the quick option.

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  • [–] 8 points 19 hours ago (6 children)

    So here's an idea.
    When you first get it, connect it to a working guest network that you just made.
    Then shutdown the guest network and make sure there are no open Wi-Fi networks in your area.

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  • [–] 16 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

    Great advice which is completely inapplicable to the person you are giving it to, considering they already set their TV up ages ago.

    And the advice to anyone about to get a new Samsung or LG TV is "Don't."

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

    get a new Samsung or LG TV is “Don’t.”

    I have seen the answer to that...

    The person absolutely wants 4K 50" for some reason and monitors that come for that much are industrial ones that cost 5x as much.
    I am more than happy with 27" and don't even require 4K, so MSI, ViewSonic etc work well.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

    Dumb video projectors are a thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 hours ago*

    yeah but nowhere near the video quality.

    I've had the same 40" LG OLED TV for like 15 years now, and I want to get myself a new big 4k OLED 65" behemoth for Christmas this year. I looked up hospitality TVs of that size and whoo boy, they're like $3-4k. But you can get a regular TV that size and spec for like $1k.

    I have no open Wifi in my house or nearby, I plan on just using it as a second monitor for my computer, and never connecting it to anything beyond my soundbar. Then just hope that it doesn't brick itself I guess.

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  • [–] 33 points 13 hours ago* (6 children)

    I stopped connecting my TVs to the internet as soon as manufacturers started using android to operate them.

    Why?

    Because I figured they would doing what they are doing. And maybe back then they weren’t so bad quite yet, but I need to be adjusting my opsec before I’m compromised, not after.

    Evaluate the potential not the proven.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

    Yes well we must move ever forward in our security posture and not let the idea of perfection stop us from becoming better.

    I have heard of HEC attacks but I think we’re a ways off from it being a realized threat in our homes.

    There are too many more cost effective and convenient options at large to collect data more efficiently and effectively.

    Having said that, shielded HDMI seems like an answer to it.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    I unbeknownst to me had a receiver and tv that supported this protocol. And the receiver had an ethernet connection. Imagine my surprise when one day the TV popped up that it had a software update when it wasn't on wifi.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

    Yeah, sneaky. I once was less concerned about my receiver, but eventually I relegated it to the same status of mistrust and unplugged it from the network.

    I don’t use built-in streaming music services on it anyway.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (4 children)

    About a month ago, I bought a router that uses OpenWRT. With that, I setup up Adguard and specifically one of the lists that is supposed to block devices from phoning home.

    How would I check that?

    AdGuard used DNS to enforce its blocklists, you can setup your own DNS sinkhole server on your network relatively easily, point your devices to it, and view what servers your devices on your network are connecting to.

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  • [–] 20 points 20 hours ago

    Yup. And it’s worth noting that my two smart TVs are the noisiest devices on my network, by far. Like it’s not even close. In a heavy day of doing nothing but doomscrolling and casual browsing, my phone may get 1700-2000 blocked requests. My smart TVs typically hit 5500-6000 blocked requests each.

    Which, when you do the math, comes out to a failed request every ~15 seconds. Which means they’re probably attempting to reach the server, getting blocked, timing out after ~15 seconds, and then retrying. If they were logging each failed attempt as an error and never purging their old logs, I can see how it would slowly but surely fill their storage space.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

    This may work today, but it take very little effort for the TV manufacturers to default to DNS over HTTPS to bypass these DNS based filtering. I'd recommend keeping TV's off the network completely. I wish the DRM mafia weren't keeping open competitors away. There's no reason we should have privacy respecting TV boxes, except that the power is in the streaming platform companies hands, and they don't want to enable anything even slightly open.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 hours ago

    Owning (owning) your router/firewall makes this harder for them to bypass. Block all DNS outbound, allow only from Pihole (or other private DNS server), redirect all DNS to Pihole. The machines you don't/can't own will think they're reaching out to external DNS but the replies come from Pihole. I haven't dug too far into whether this works if they force DNS over HTTPS. Is that not 853/tls?! My convoluted and possibly placebo setup.

    I suppose there are plenty of ways around this. My config is port based, so if they change ports or run a tunnel through something my Pihole doesn't block... Sigh. Yeah, just don't connect these crap boxes up to the network in the first place.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago

    Block all other DNS by port and IP both from everything by pi-hole. Even if they hardcode 1.1.1.1 or Quad9 or Google or whatever, it would be exceedingly difficult to reach an IP address that is forbidden on the network at the router level. HTTPS will just fail (and likely fall back to network DNS settings as it should).

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  • [–] 11 points 9 hours ago

    I just disconnected my samsung tv from my wifi yesterday because it had a popup it was doing a software update. It was already substantially laggier than when I bought it. Whenever I use it I'm either playing a game or using the pi I have plugged into it so I just want it to switch inputs quickly. Only reason I hadn't killed it yet in my transition to FOSS is because my wife uses it for netflix. Maybe we'll use this as a good break point to get her off the netflix subscription completely. I die a little inside when I see it on my credit card statement.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    Thank god for this TV mess. I finally rooted my TV, it took all of five minutes.
    The native Plex (PlxNative) someone cooked up is buttery-smooth. Almost shed a tear my media centre doesn't feel like a 10yo android tablet.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 hours ago

    My 2 new LGs are isolated. I just need dumb tvs.

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  • [–] 2 points 34 minutes ago

    I heard that when the TVs can't reach the web, they try continuously, and it could be the system logs got full off all the errors, or they want a reset to try to get back online.

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