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[–] 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Unfortunate.

Now how will I identify dooches so as to avoid them?

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  • [–] 28 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    You're saying a car with a bad build quality, no resale value, and looks butt ugly didn't sell like the drugged up Nazi business owner wanted? Wow.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago*

    It's incredibly fucking funny they had to do this now, too. Dealerships all over can't keep EVs on the lot because so many people are making the switch. Even shit ones like the Mach E (which I begrudgingly confess is fun as hell to drive but sucks on every other metric) have waitlists. I haven't seen last quarter's statistics published yet, but in the quarter before EVs made up ~1\3 of new vehicle sales in the US and another other ~1\3 went to pickup trucks.

    And yet because of how fucking ugly and useless the cybertruck is, and how much everyone hates musk, they're stuck with what should have been a money printing machine but instead it just keeps cranking out coupons for Kmart...

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    They were still producing this shit box?

    I thought they stopped long ago - or did they just finish the pre orders for the suckers?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    They were selling 1-2 thousand per month. Which is baffling lol

    For reference, other more popular vehicles might sell 4-5k per month. Car factories have a much higher capacity so not meeting that demand is just a waste of resources.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (14 children)

    It’s a relief knowing the number of these things I see on the roads will only go down. They’re dangerous. I’m not sure if it’s because it’s poorly designed and hard to drive in the city, or just because the people that buy them have a hard time driving in the city.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago* (13 children)

    Oh it's largely the design, the things have absolutely shit visibility especially for close in driving. No idea how they're even street legal.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago* (12 children)

    They aren't, in most of the developed world. In the US they are because there pedestrian safety is an afterthought at best.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago* (11 children)

    Sure, but the question was an entreaty of the void wondering how they're legal in the US when they seemingly violate US vehicle regulations regarding driver visibility. They weren't designed for the non-US market, so it's not exactly a shock they're not street legal in those markets.

    (I actually did go and look up the answer after that comment, and the explanation is that they were able to demonstrate in the Model S that their blindspot cameras were both reliable and comprehensive enough that they could supplement the physical mirrors, which has honestly been a huge win and has lead to something of an explosion in modernizing NHTSA regulations. While they are fascists and the cars have aged like something that doesn't age very well, this spurring on of regulatory agencies did clear the way for broad rapid adoption of now-common features like ADAS, driver awareness monitoring systems and integrated blindspot cameras. There's talk that they're going to make reverse cameras mandatory on new cars soon, which will be nice as well. None of this is the result of the cybertruck, to be clear. That thing, and tesla, and especially musk, are all still awful. It's just an interesting peek at how the the vehicle regulatory landscape has changed shockingly quickly.)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (10 children)

    Are there actual studies demonstrating that all those cameras are really as effective as a car with good driver view and mirror coverage? After all, things don't get easier if there are even more locations you have to look at for getting a good picture of the environment.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (9 children)

    Well no not exactly, every study I've found shows they're far more effective than a car with just mirrors. Which does make sense! Having to fully shift your attention away and manipulate your head vs. glancing down both keeps all the things you need to be monitoring at least in your peripheral vision, and is much faster than fully turning your head.

    Effectiveness of a blind spot visualization system with a video camera for safe lane changes

    Effects of blind spot monitoring systems on police-reported lane-change crashes

    Study of Automated Vehicle Technology Using Nationwide Databases Found Blind Spot Monitoring Reduced Collision Claim Frequency by 2.13 Percent.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

    I was coming from the point of pedestrian safety, one of the key reasons that the Cybertruck had no chance of becoming street legal in the EU. The first and third link is not relevant for that, the second link is not just about video monitors but active assistance systems but also does not really discuss pedestrian safety either.

    Additionally, none of these links discusses the comparison of a car with good view lines with a car with terrible view lines, compensated by camera systems. Assistance systems can also enhance cars with good view lines as well, so it would be relevant to compare that as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

    NGL, this is starting to feel a little sea-lion-y. I don't know if anyone has done a study that satisfies the requirement of explicitly determining if poor visibility + camera improves beyond good visibility, because I don't think that would be possible to quantify. However it's trivial to show that it increases visibility to beyond what is available from a standard car (and that blind spot systems improve pedestrian and cyclist safety) and all the previous studies I provided demonstrate that it provides increased driver awareness, so if we want the facile-but-still-correct answer then yes it absolutely does.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (6 children)

    That is part of the problem that I described, pedestrian safety being an afterthought in the US, not just in a regulatory way, also as far as research is concerned, especially in regards to driver safety.

    I am aware that my request regarding comparison of well designed and poorly designed cars regarding driver view, is rather specific but I think it is the relevant question. The question wasn't if assistance systems can enhance safety it was if they can make up for the loss in safety due to poorly designed cars. The studies you provided did not talk at all about pedestrian safety, or did I miss something?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

    The question was indeed about how assistance systems, in particular blind spot cameras, can enhance safety. That was the entire premise of what I said, and was what I was discussing until you shifted the goalposts while dismissing those sources as irrelevant. Hence the sealion bit - it may well be you failed to communicate here, but you're doing a poor job of making that clear if so.

    That is part of the problem that I described, pedestrian safety being an afterthought in the US, not just in a regulatory way, also as far as research is concerned, especially in regards to driver safety.

    Ah! Could you then perhaps show me the EU research on this topic? I utterly forgot that continent existed when looking up sources on this. Sarcasm aside, it's maddening that both the recent UN and EU guidelines laying out that vehicles add blind spot cameras/monitoring systems fail to cite any studies as their rationale for the changes.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

    Failure to communicate it may be. My comment was from the start focused on pedestrians, so I did not shift any poles. It appears yours was always about US regulations on visibility.

    PS: There is the precautionary principle when it comes to EU regulation on safety relevant matters. Some people may hate it, I am very much in favour of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

    Edit: I see where we miscommunicated, apologies for being aggro.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    Sorry, my mistake, I already corrected my post before I could see your response.

    I don't know if visibility was a factor why Tesla did not even try street legality in the EU, I only know of the panels being directed to the front like blades being a key issue, for good reasons. Another topic for sure as well.

    PS: I still struggle with the way Lemmy makes posts look like foundational posts when going up in context.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    (Off topic but I just stumbled across it: if you're interested in the emerging technologies the EU is mandating, TRL has their cost/benefit analysis up for free here and it's quite a good summary of potential new features)

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    [–] 4 points 2 days ago

    I like that anyone who bought one made a really bad investment

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    I went with a Silverado EV and love it. Tows like a champ.

    Fuck the CT.

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    [–] 3 points 3 days ago* (1 child)

    No worries, the next terrible boxy Elon dystopian child dream car is coming on the heels of the cybertruck: Elon looked at the sleek Roadster and said "You know what this needs to become? A two-seat sports Cybertruck".

    Sure to become Tesla's next flop.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    No more pedestrian bisectors? Great! They never should have been approved for roads to begin with.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago* (2 children)

    Not to mention, the slew of the thin-skinned leopard food whinging that other drivers are constantly flipping them off wherever they drive. 🤣🖕🏼

    FWIW, I mildly enjoy doing so. It gives me a little ray of joy each time I do my part in conveying the majority opinion they done fucked up (and yet, they choose to continue, unapologetic and "victimized". No pity here.)

    Side note: wouldn't said "vehicle" be totaled out if heinously, immorally, criminally vandalized? I mean, their premiums'd go up, but what a small price to pay to once again be able to hide your natural asshattery from endless (justified) public criticism.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child)

    Every one sees my social finger. There happen to be quite a few in my area because there's a dealership 20 minutes from my house. It was the location of several protests.

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