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[–] 233 points 4 days ago (12 children)

You mean they asked Claude to rewrite their app in Rust like fucking everyone else is doing rn?

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  • [–] 74 points 4 days ago (6 children)

    The real question is which is the greater evil, AI or electron…

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  • [–] 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Well, right now you can use the existing web client in Firefox.

    In the future you may not.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    It looks like it might be possible to target wasm (at least GPUI can), so hopefully Discord won't kill their web client.

    If I have to use it, I'd much rather run their software in a sandboxed environment like a web browser than install a program that can then do whatever it wants with my user data.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    Well, if they kill the web client, they will lose tons of users. I am on the web client right now, since their app is not working - again. This has been a common occurence on multiple machines, with different operating systems... They really should rewrite that shit.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    The UI framework is literally vibe coded claudeslop by a guy who didn't know anything about graphics rendering by his own admission: https://youtu.be/j2goZBL156Q?t=2012

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  • [–] 83 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    And by "rewrite", they mean point Claude at a vague spec and hope for the best.

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  • [–] 45 points 3 days ago (14 children)

    You just know it’s basically vibe coded

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  • [–] 13 points 3 days ago (11 children)

    I'm torn here because I didn't know what's worse... Electron shit or AI shit.

    On the plus side, the AI shit will at least be a proper application and not a web browser pretending to be an application.

    I wonder how long it will take for Vencord to work on it though.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Tough question. I hate electron so much that I might be leaning towards AI shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago* (3 children)

    Electron isn't a problem when it's used well, eg VS Code. At least you know what you're getting.

    You have no idea what the code is doing is when some numbnut vibe codes it without a thorough review.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago* (2 children)

    Electron is a problem in the sense that it's completely unnecessary - just run a website and leave it at that. Who wants to install a bunch of useless chrome instances pretending to be other programs? If you want to make a program, make a program. If you want to make a website, make a website. Simple

    The JS in your electronic bloat could be just as vibes as the code in your standalone app, too.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago* (1 child)

    You wouldn't run a website because a website doesn't have the capabilities of a desktop app. No one wants to run VS code from their browser. People don't even want to run outlook or teams from their browser. A desktop app results in far superior UX in most cases for tools that people need to use frequently.

    Electron allows you to use existing webdev teams to build apps for basically every platform in existence, which is exactly why companies use it.

    Alternative platforms exist but not every company has the right people to build on top of them and it's difficult to argue against the cost savings of using electron.

    It's not really that complicated. Many of these apps simply wouldn't exist on Linux or Mac if it weren't for electron or similar frameworks. Companies might build a website (if it makes sense) and a Windows app and that's it, depending on the target audience

    And yes, you might get vibe bloat in the framework code but that isn't an argument against electron, since literally any framework could be and probably is infected with AI bloat at this point.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    Why wouldn't people want to run them in a browser? Running an Electron app is literally just running them in a browser, it's just that the browser is disguised as not a browser.

    It's unnecessary bloat. They're cross-platform because I hey are literally just webapps masquerading as actual programs.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Looks like the RAM crunch is starting to affect more than just greenfield projects.

    Good. Electron is a bloody memory hog. We don’t need to squander 300Mb of memory just to display 15Kb of text. And then rinse and repeat with multiple other apps like BitWarden Desktop.

    You listening, BitWarden? The browser add-ins are fine, the full-fat desktop app needs to lose some serious weight.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago

    This is the creator of BitWarden and we hear you! Because of this we're getting to release an update and give you what you want. AI, AI everywhere inside BitWarden for your convenience!

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  • [–] 25 points 3 days ago

    The one good thing that's come out of the RAMpocalypse is devs finally considering writing their software in more efficient programming languages and systems. Every app that gets away from web browser-based backends is a plus in my book, free memory on my system, and less energy usage to save my electric bill and CPU cycles - plus, it very lets older compys be useful again.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 days ago

    And I still will use web client, because disabling process detection doesn't actually disable it, it just stops showing it in your profile but still runs. (Last time I checked was a couple of years ago)

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  • [–] 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Come on Teamspeak. Bring on the self hosted servers in TS6 bring back some of the good ole days.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 days ago

    Tbh as long as it's taken them to not do anything of note, as well as ths lack of communication on their forums to people testing their stuff, I hope they are not the company to be the main Discord alternative.

    I'd much prefer stoat or fluxer

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  • [–] 36 points 4 days ago (53 children)

    Their client could be pure assembly, it's to little, to late.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 days ago (52 children)

    Everyone get on Fluxer already.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 days ago (9 children)

    I joined fluxer some months ago but the amount of communities seems very little.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago (8 children)

    🤷‍♂️ I just made my own server and my friends joined that, then we talk while we play Rocket League. Just like we did on Discord.

    I dunno why you need to join so many communities on Fluxer?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago* (7 children)

    I never said I needed to join so many communities but the list of communities is small. For example, I have a huge interest in certain types of music and I like to find out about bands and artists I may have never heard of, so its nice to join a community of people from around the country/world. Also, getting people you know to switch to something different or more privacy respecting isn't always the easiest. Believe me, I've tried.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago (6 children)

    You... use Discord for this stuff? Communities around interests? I wouldn't have thought to use it for that. I only use it to comm with my buddies while we play games. 🤷‍♂️

    getting people you know to switch to something different or more privacy respecting isn't always the easiest. Believe me, I've tried.

    I feel you. I just told my bros I'm not using Discord, so if they want to talk it's either Steam voice chat or Fluxer. Thankfully they jumped on board. (Very difficult to play Rocket League well at higher levels without voice comms.)

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (3 children)

    Well, I don't use discord, but on some platforms yeah, music, gaming/modding, 3d printing, just to name a few. I mean, I think a big purpose of a lot of those types of platforms are for communities around interests. But no Discord.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    I think Fluxer works best as a functionally equivalent alternative to Discord, specifically. Not as an alternative to social media revolving around interests and communities. 😁

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago* (1 child)

    Well, then I guess I use it for the wrong reason. Either way, I respect my privacy and security and Discord is a big no, especially with the shit they've pulled lately.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago

    Oh yeah for sure. That's why I stopped using Discord day 1 after they announced the face id shit. They hadn't even implemented it yet. That's why I'm now on Fluxer, until that enshittifies. 😄

    Good to have alternatives though. Stout, etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (1 child)

    Do you feel a difference in voice delay from discord to fluxer? We have so many double commits because discord delay is so high.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago

    Ah, no not that many double commits at our level mostly due to game sense, and we've been playing together for close to ten years now. But I haven't experienced any noticeable delay in neither Discord, nor Fluxer. So, I might not be the best person to ask. Perhaps I've been lucky. Steam voice chat had quite a latency, however, IME.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    Waiting for federation before I’m able to hop over I don’t want my friends first experience to be on my self hosted server where they can’t interact with anyone else. But yeah fluxer will be great

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Federation? In Fluxer? I've missed something.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (18 children)

    wtf are you talking about. fluxer.lemmy.world returns nothing.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago (17 children)

    wtf are you talking about

    First of all, calm down, friend. 🤝

    Secondly: https://fluxer.com/

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago* (16 children)

    Fluxer Platform AB (Swedish private limited company: ⁦559537-3993⁩)
    Made in Sweden

    Neat, so I am switching from a California based LLC, to a Swedish LLC. How decentralizing!
    galoθ🐁

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  • [–] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (13 children)

    Maybe I'm confused here but if you're seriously questioning whether you'd benefit from a smaller, Swedish based service over an American tech giant (unsure if this term applies to Discord in all honesty) - for starters you have the Swedish laws/consumer rights, GDPR. This company's whole idea also seems to resolve around being 'basically like Discord' - but without all the aggressive data collection, fingerprinting users, storing messages, and profiting from users data. I also took a quick look at the ToS and PP and it seems pretty solid what their ideals seems to be, or what they want to advertise themselves as. But hey, I bet using a US tech giant company with its entire business model focused on making a profit from user data in the year 2026 is just as good for data privacy respecting laws and regulations as any other!

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago (12 children)

    Scroll back up the 🧵, I am anti capitalist.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Is your previous point then that this is a private company, rather than FOSS?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (1 child)

    decentralization. I even mocked the sweed’s lack of exploitation LLCs do.
    unless you want to make a RandomHugs LLC.
    smiling hugs LLC

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (8 children)

    Does that mean you selfhost every service you use unless it's run by a non-profit, or what?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    when non-profits are ran by for-profits they are petite bourgeoisie so that's also bad

    no need to self host if there's an instance from an unregistered fellow human though

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago

    This is a level of anti establishment that I think goes beyond what I'm capable of resisting. Just honest people releasing their work for free, basically asking for donations for their efforts, trying to make a living out of their skills. 🤷‍♂️

    You do you. 👍

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (5 children)

    welcome to decentralization 101.

    how did you even make it to lemmy in the first place?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (4 children)

    Uh. Did you notice I asked you a question? Are you good, buddy?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

    Did you noticed I am in a different instance than yours, and you don't own lemmy.world?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (2 children)

    Why are you talking about Lemmy and federation/decentralization?? What was that rambling about fluxer.lemmy.world? I'm not telling anyone to put that address in their browser address bar. Where did you get that from?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 child)

    Do whatever you want, bro. 😄 I'm proud of my guys at Fluxer, fighting the ugly Discord.

    Matter of fact imma uninstall Discord when I get back home in a couple of hours.

    Fluxer has been everything I need it to be in order to switch. Just saying. And what I use it for is basically just voice chat while gaming. No complaints thus far. Do with that what you will.

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    https://github.com/fluxerapp/fluxer/blob/main/.github/CONTRIBUTING.md#authorship

    If you read that carefully, you will see:

    An LLM may assist a contributor privately with learning, investigation, planning and review. It MUST NOT author any part of a submission.

    Emphasis added by me (in bold, not capitalization).

    I think they have a pretty sound policy at this point?

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  • [–] -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

    Yeah, and that's still slop.

    No AI use is acceptable.

    https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/ai-free-foss-alternatives/src/branch/main/why_not_llms.md

    No policy is good unless it's a full stop one.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 days ago (13 children)

    Fluxer's not libre.

    Also wants you to either pay for stuff that should be free as they're basic or even cheap features, or to self host.

    Stoat or Matrix with Cinny or Sable Next are best.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

    Fluxer is released under the GNU Affero General Public License. 🤷‍♂️

    I'm going with Fluxer for the time being as that was the easiest setup as far as I could tell — on par with Discord. Just sign up, create a server, connect to voice. Blam-o. No payment necessary for what I'm using it for. Golden, simple, clean, focused UI.

    I'm not sure which features you call basic which are not free of charge, but voice, chat, and screen sharing are all free last I checked.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (11 children)

    They can use whatever license they want, but if they trap their users like that (not everyone can pay, not everyone can self-host), then they're not truly Libre, at most, they would only be so in words, or just lip service, if at all.

    About the features, there are ridiculously low character limits, also ridiculously low filesize limits. The part of emojis, stickers and banners is not that important, although the fact that both Stoat and Matrix lets you do these for free (and they have pretty high size and character limits without charging you for that) is just better. Stoat's not hard at all, and with Matrix, just point it to unredacted.org and that's all, you can create a community (that's the word for "server" in both Stoat and Matrix [along with Space here, though]) pretty easily.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (10 children)

    Investigated file size limits, and my conclusion is that stoat has a 20 MB file size limit, and fluxer's is 25 MB. 🤷‍♂️ I don't know about character limits, and I don't need to know because I never post long messages because I don't treat this app as a bulletin board.

    You seem pretty set though, so enjoy your freedom to choose whichever platform you like, that is subjectively better for you. 🙂

    Just found out Fluxer intends to add federation soon as well, which seems like a one-up on other platforms? I don't think Stout has that unless I'm misunderstanding what Stout is built on.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

    unredacted.org lets me send up to 250 MB.

    As for the character limits, for me and most people they're important because we're not using that only for voice chat and little gaming messages, we're using them mostly for structured projects, creative stuff, or even simply joining communities of our interest (I'm full on music production, so I'll surely look for one community that gives me larger convos about that).

    PS: Also, they're AI slop.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

    Okay, then you are using that platform in a way which I don't think is in scope for Fluxer. So that's a subjective requirement and you're better off with what you're using, of course.

    Also, they're AI slop.

    Permissive AI policy

    A policy, written or otherwise implied by maintainers' actions/statements, that permits the use of AI/LLMs in a way where LLM output is added into the project.

    Fluxer doesn't allow LLM code output whatsoever, if you actually read their policy. They are not slop.

    The first link there to a blog post or something detailing how he built Fluxer and the story etc, I don't see any references to LLMs being used. I skimmed the whole page. I might've missed something, but I suspect they are merely suggesting/implying that because it was just one guy that it must've been AI output?

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    I examined all of them, closely. Can you be more specific?

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    It's still not slop because no code submitted can be generated. That's my opinion. You may have a different opinion or definition of slop, and that's fine. Have a good one.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    That's not subject to subjectivity, just admit already that you're wrong and stop pushing that relativistic bullshit.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago* (2 children)

    No code generated = no slop, that's my opinion. Not wrong or right, just an opinion obviously different from yours.

    Take that or leave it. You can call it "wrong" if you feel like you want to somehow "win" this interaction. Go ahead. 👍

    I'm feeling done with this conversation because you're getting hostile for some reason and I'm not interested in having a childish discussion. I'm on Lemmy to have nice exchanges without resorting to hostility.

    Now, have a nice day, dear person.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 days ago

    Great, but the client is not why Discord sucks.

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