Tip: NEVER use google translate for Japanese! (Even for travel) It's so bad!

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[–] 39 points 3 days ago (5 children)

There was someone local in a state furry chat who kept talking about his Japan was the best, talked a lot of anime quotes, and no amount of people who know what Japan is actually like could convince him otherwise.

He's apparently stuck there now and drinks most of the time because he didn't and still doesn't realize how goddamn racist his assumptions were and how it got him nowhere.

  • he assumed everyone would like him cause he's American and
  • he thought most people would speak English
  • for some fucking reason he thought most of it was like Tokyo or specifically Akihabara(sp?)

So I'm cackling at this like how fucking appropriate

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  • [–] 15 points 2 days ago

    I might've met him or at least someone similar, he wore a kimono to a bar and was disappointed that not every Japanese person asked him about it. He would try to use it as a conversation starter; eventually he drank himself into a stupor and passed out outside of the bar.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    I visited Japan for the first time recently.

    It is not the first time I visited a country that spoke another language, but it was the first time I went somewhere that didn't use the same alphabet I'm used to.

    I must say, suddenly beign functionally analphabet is a very strange feeling!

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

    I'm from Bulgaria, but left as a child, when I came back I couldn't speak the language, only understand a little bit. The crylic alphabet everywhere was really strange for me too. Ultimately, my step mom would walk the city with me and teach me the letters as we saw them on car licence plates. It was like a whole new world opened up when I could read them.

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  • [–] 48 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    Ah, the non-slop version of this meme. Nice work, thank you for your service.

    I visited Japan in 2008, before Google Lens was a thing. My Japanese was rudimentary, like A-level. But I got by. I had a problem with my Suica card and the people in the subway station didn't speak any English and my Japanese certainly wasn't enough for the situation, but together we fixed it. And another time I wanted to ask something in a store and the woman had to fetch her coworker who spoke English, so that was fine as well. I would guess that today English is more wide-spread, particularly in Tokyo. So I wouldn't be worried to visit today, when my Japanese is even worse than it was back then. I must say that trying to communicate with a language barrier, while frustrating, is also what brings us together as humans. Most people around the world are decent people and are willing to help somebody in need. That makes for nice vacation memories.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Unless you are in the US. “speak ‘murican!!”

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  • [–] 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Google translate/lens was absolutely goated for my japan travels. I really dislike google and try foss alternatives all the time but it was like having real life subtitles, good quality and adequate translations.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago

    Yeah, the translation is better than trying to deal with a shopkeeper who doesn't want to yukkuri the fuck hanashite kudasai or whatever. I have a vocabulary of maybe 800 words but whatever you're speaking is way outside it.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 days ago

    I definitely had a "what the fuck have I done" mini panic attack moment entering the Tokyo airport. But basic Japanese to keep manners got me by.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 days ago

    There kind of are though? Most signs are in multiple languages (Japanese, English, Korean, and Chinese), and for the ones that aren't, they usually have Romanji appended.

    Plus, train stations, etc. Are very ample signage, and important information over the train intercom are in both Japanese and English (ie. "Now arriving at Ueno"). Also, train stations all have their own little jingles. So you can know where you are based on the song, when the train starts moving.

    I know only a smattering of Japanese, but it was an incredibly easy country to get around in..

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  • [–] 25 points 2 days ago (9 children)

    I lived in Japan for 6 years. This is kind of true, but if you can point then you can get what you're after.

    I don't know, I thought half the fun of Japan was the not knowing what I would stumble on.

    Neil Degrasse Tyson said it best on why he hates algorithms, "they don't let me find anything, they take away the wonder".

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    The old point and grunt, it served me well when first arrived in Asia 20+ years ago. Greetings from Hanoi.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I would feel like I was annoying the fuck out of all the locals if I had to do that. Cannot imagine how stressful that would be.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago

    Depends where you're at. Tokyo they will mostly speak to you in Japanese, so i would attempt there. But I was in Okinawa for most of it, and most locals were good at English and used you to practice.

    Helped many kids fulfill their school projects by letting them ask you questions on the street, in English lol.

    It's no different to seeing someone in your country who can't speak. You both just figure it out together.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (2 children)

    Such a powerful quote. I've heard the guy can be a jerk but he sure is inspiring.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I've always found him to be a great source of wisdom. While also being a great example of how to not act.

    The dude is a self centered egotistical ass who is so full of himself it's disgusting.

    He's also an extremely well educated speaker who has a very deep understanding of many subjects and a fondness for teaching others.

    Aka he's human.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    He's definitely made good points, not disputing that, he's just also had questionable takes and questionable judgement in the past, personally I don't trust him too much because of it.

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  • Never been to Japan, but here's a meme describing my opinions on Japan after being an otaku for 10 years

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago (6 children)

    I'm flying to Japan this Friday. My first time... Dear lord, what have I gotten myself into

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  • Microsoft translator works great and you can download the libraries to work locally. Google is great for menus and things with pictures and text. Everyone is patient and use the same apps to talk to their phones and show text.

    You will make it, put the effort get the reward enjoy Japan.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago

    It's gonna be alright.

    Ignore the louts trying to get you into bars or clubs.

    Japan has amazing food and drinks, including prepackaged items. Give it a shot.

    Google maps is very reliable, including timings of public transport.

    Buy knick knacks from museum gift shops.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    It's a beautiful country, and one of the easiest places I've ever been, to get around in. Signage is ample, and if a sign isn't in English (which they often are), it's usually going to be in Romanji (Japanese in Latin alphabet). So brush up on your Japanese phonics.

    If you're in Tokyo, the main train line you'll be riding is going to be the Yamanote line, which is just a big loop around the city. If you can orient yourself relative to where you are on that big circle, that'll help a lot.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 days ago (8 children)

    What would you recommend instead of Google lens/translate?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

    If you're interested in learning the language, but don't have 3 years to prepare:

    Jisho.org is an online English-Japanese dictionary that helps you find words by selecting radicals from a chart. You can learn to break down 99% of common kanji into their radicals within a week and then it's a matter of selecting 2 or 3 radicals in the chart and matching the picture. Finding all the kanji in a sentence (or more likely, the three kanji on a menu item) should give you a decent idea of the full meaning. Now you point at the menu, say the standard question from your phrase book, give a polite nod, hold out your money at the appropriate time, and you're nihongo jouzu.

    Edit: I would only recommend this method if we're not using Google Lens. Lens is way faster and you can still decipher the menu with your dictionary after your food arrived.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (5 children)

    Not the most ethical answer but a paid chatgpt subscription.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    Even a medium sized local model can do 90% of the job now.

    Just gotta set it up ahead of time so you can use it outside the house.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (2 children)

    I travel a lot so I'm not sure I'd want to have a server running at home. Or do you mean I set it up in my hotel?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    While i ment at home. Im going to be honest giving it a few moments thought. Since your already traveling you likely have a laptop. A ryzen laptop while expensive. Arn't really that much more then a good work station/gaming laptop both are fucking over priced as fucking hell right now to be fair. But your paying 3.5-4k either way. A ryzen laptop with lpddr is like 3800-4000 dollars for 128 gigs of ram. You could totally do a local model right from your hotel room.

    Frankly i would say this is a more realistic option after the bubble goes pop and you can pick up something like this for like 2000 bucks. Since the laptops tend to be really nice reguardless and at least justifiable around that price point.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    I didn't mention this so there's no way you could've known but this is not realistic for my situation. I travel a lot for my job, most of the translations I need are during negotiations or when navigating a new country. During these situations I quickly look up things on my phone. Carrying around a gaming laptop for these purposes would be highly impractical. Plus I'm in East Asia so most of my meetings are in restaurants or bars.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    I was pretty pleased to discover that I could OCR and translate Japanese ROMs to English using local models that fit within my 6GB of VRAM on my laptop. I wouldn't want to play a narrative heavy game that way, but it was sufficient to read menus and make choices in more action oriented games.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I tried to pre-learn some phrases but that was absolutely useless as soon as someone said anything back to me. The restaurants I ate at either had a set menu I'd reserved ahead of time or a touch screen menu but I ate a bunch of convenience store egg salad sandwiches. In the two weeks I spent there, I had two conversations facilitated by google translate: the Japanese person would speak into her phone and show me the screen and I would say yes or no. I thought I'd have to be asking "how much is this" or saying "one of this please" when in reality I would just look at price tags and grab however many I wanted of something and bring it up to be purchased in a cashless transaction. "Excuse me/sorry" got a lot of use but I spent large chunks of my days without saying anything to anyone. All guided tours were led in English. There's lots of verticality in Tokyo and you can kinda get an idea of what's going on in those upper floors but going downstairs seemed like an adventure. Google Maps was awesome and could walk your ass door-to-door including subway stops. I know I walked past all sorts of cool stuff but I had plenty of cool stuff on my list to see.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 days ago

    Ganbate, OP-san

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Just on my way to the airport for a one month solo trip to Japan without knowing the language, feels kinda scary and exciting at the same time. No expectations, I sometimes just love the feeling of hurling yourself out of your comfort zone and having to adapt I find that those situations are a really good place to grow.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    That’s very cool! Welcome to Japan. Where all you going?

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  • [–] 2 points 19 hours ago

    Staying in Osaka for now, I have a couple of days in Kyoto for buisness later and am planning on visiting Tokiyo, but did not reserve anything in advance. The rest of the time I the plan is to ve rock climbing and hiking outside as much as the weather allows. The trip from the airport to the city centre was already a fun experience, I met a bunch of other clueless tourists and we managed to get the right train together. Now time for my first time dealing with jet lag!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    There's actually a lot of people that know some English there, and if they don't know it then they frequently use hand signs or gestures to convey to tourists like you what they mean

    I was surprised when I travelled, but it makes sense considering America's massive influence on Japanese culture. It shows when you see places like MOS Burger (like American fast food but Japanese-made, has things like sweet potato milkshakes and shrimp burgers. Super good and cheap btw!) or things like Disney in every toy store

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  • [–] 2 points 19 hours ago

    As long as there is significant tourism there will always be some level of english knowledge, but you still get the expirience of being functionally illiterate while roaming the city, and that is a wierd place to be when you get used to it. Even when going to places with a different language that still use the same alphabet this change is not nearly of the same magnitude.

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  • Depends on where you go. Some places do have subtitles. lol

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago

    Gotta get the dub then

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    My hovercraft is full of eels

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    It's all advertising anyway. Just do what you do in America, let it work on you subliminally to convince you to buy cartoon themed products you don't need or want.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    Tasukete onii-chan!

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Google Lens is basically irl subtitles

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (2 children)

    Not very accurate for Japanese, though.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    What are you using it for? It's been fine enough every time I've ever been, but ill also disagree with the OOP meme. I reckon that about 70% of signage relevant to a tourist has English text

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    Google translate isn't great, but when I was there it was a nice assist to the engineer who spoke just enough English to work in America for our Japanese company.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Are you really asking if they use Japanese in Japan?

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 3 days ago

    The joke is more on if foreigners assume that there's subtitles in real life when they hear spoken Japanese. Basically, the meme is on the language barrier (for those who know zero Japanese).

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    Until you accidentally almost poison your team mate. (The latest Jetlag The Game season was fun)

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    [–] 13 points 2 days ago

    Maybe like 50% true. There's a lot of stuff in Japan that has English "subtitles" IRL because they get so much tourism these days, especially if you go places tourists go. That said there were still a couple of times where I went to a restaurant and the menu was only in handwritten Japanese. That's how I ended up trying whitebait for the first time!

    As for google translate, I don't use it much simply because I've been studying the language for long enough that I don't usually need to. That said, as long as you're pointing it at something that is printed cleanly (not handwritten lol) it's usually good enough for travel. If it makes a mistake you can usually use the context in your human brain to figure that out.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago

    You don't need to know any Japanese to pretty easily navigate metro Japan. Basically everything in Tokyo that you need to read is in Japanese first and English second. The same is mostly true in Kyoto but to a lesser extent. If you have an internet connection the trains are so accurate that you don't even need to know the name of the stop you're getting off at. Google maps says "get on the 3:12 train and exit at 3:38" and it's accurate enough that you hit your stops

    If you want to leave metro Japan then it gets a lot harder with less English around and the people are less accommodating but it's still pretty manageable. This was in 2018 so I would imagine there's more English around but people are probably less sympathetic to tourists

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    大丈夫。日本語はかなり優しいと思う。

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    でしょう?日本語を見ると、すぐに頭の中で意味が思い浮かぶ。これはあの「字幕」と言うことかもしれない。

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago*

    On the other hand, to compensate for this, some other things are not pixelated anymore.

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