Disgusting attempt to monetize.
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What an asshole.
Fucking vibe coders
It seems like this person wanted to help with AO3 being down in their own way, but somehow decided that scraping the internet for fanworks and hosting them on a new site without asking permission from any of the creators was a good idea.
It seems similar to those people who will dump a 40k LoC Pull Request on an open source project that they vibe coded. Wanting to help, but misunderstanding every step, or like, how to interact with an established group. The article does say that the guy who made the vibe coded site is 17, so I don't wanna be too hard on him, but maybe he should have reached out to OTW to see if there was anything he could do to help first.
[the website creator] scraped the internet for works to populate the site using “a swarm of AI Agents controlling 40 virtual machines were scraping the internet for all drives, scrapes, and sources,”
Also this kind of stuff is wild because a lot of websites aren't really built to handle the insane traffic from bot crawlers.
It was a 17 year old kid from India; naive and foolish but I don't think it was malicious. His post says the audio books were an idea to try and pay for the high bandwidth usage - 120k users in 24 hours, serving over a terabyte of data.
I think he probably had good intentions, but clearly this was a bad idea and of course to many people it looked like someone was trying to commercially exploit the work of many thousands of fanfic authors, plus feeding in to the AI slop fest.
I hate to say this, but we should attack AI, the technology that made this possible.
No, the bigger story is the theft of the stories. Something like this could have been done with any off the shelf CMS, like WordPress.
A03 is an open source platform, you could host an almost perfect clone
true... oh wait, is the code on github or some other VCS? 😄
despite this, the thief decided to roll out their own, AI coded clone? Pathetic search skills!
And it’s clear they have like no infra knowledge. They’re talking about how expensive it is. I’m almost sure they spun up a vercel app because they have no idea what they’re doing and the model is just running patterns. The intelligent thing to do to meet the need for what is almost 100% static content, would have been to get a hetzner dedicated box which gives you unlimited traffic at 1gbps, then pay for cloudflare pro and institute hard long running caching rules, then the vast majority of the server bandwidth and requests come off of the box and hit cloudflare’s edge, which generally allows for unlimited caching.
Or, y’know don’t build this at all since it’s stealing user work. But vibecoders with no engineering experience don’t think that way, they’re all grifters
Damn. Don’t give away the blueprint!
Hetzner you say? Not digitalocean (I know, the Omarchy link) or Vultr?
Cloudflare edge is a fine use of this, though even basic nginx level caching can handle this. Heck, if it’s vercel they can still use some caching in front of it to cool off the use.
But… most coders rarely have infra knowledge, let alone hit-and-run vibe coders, who have neither.
The issue with any cloud/vps provider is they usually have a max monthly bandwidth. Hetzner dedicated (not cloud) usually gives you unlimited (reasonable) bandwidth at 1Gbps
And yeah the point of the cache is less about the burn on the box of the request but more the capped bandwidth at the machine level, whereas content being served from the cdn can scale to a shit ton of users and only comes from your box once within the cache expiry time
Yeah but isn’t the max monthly something absurd? Like 1 TB? I know it’s probably not scalable, but this person is just shitting money anyway at this point, so that would be better. No?
Yeah just reading the vibecoders apology notes they posted as part of my recco:
It had 126,592 unique users within 24 hours of going up, and had terabytes of bandwidth in usage.
So if they’re blowing a TB or more a day they’d pay out the ass for raw bandwidth at per MB rates past the initial 1TB from cloud providers, and a single box would have trouble keeping up. Cloudflare doesn’t bill separately for bandwidth, and since hetzner gives you unlimited for dedicated, it would have room to seed the cloudflare cache and then cloudflare could serve 100s of TB of bandwidth per month.
All in all if set up correctly you could go with a hetzner ax41, and cloudflare businees, for a total cost of ~$270 per month
“Terabytes”??
Oof. Someone miscalculated what they were getting out of this venture!
lol yes, it’s also a 17 year old kid from India, as stated there, so while I can’t blame the kid for faults in his infra, I can blame him for thinking that scraping people’s work and putting it online without their permission and a monetization vector was a bad idea. That being said, it seems like he did the right thing, apologized, took it down, and I hope he carries the lesson forward to consider the human impact in what he does going forward
Not surprising, it's been proven that AI use destroys people's research skills.
If he had contextualized it differently, framed it as archiving the work, he'd be praised lol
By this logic, FTP should also be attacked because I used it to mass-download image collections from unprotected porn servers when I was young.
edit: But still, fuck AI in general
“Yours truly, a 17 year old from India that thought they were doing something good.”
If this is true, I can cut some slack on the person being really, really fucking naive and acting on impulse instead of doing the bare minimum of talking to the actual authors.
“Why did I charge for AI Slop audiobooks? I doubt anyone knows how expensive it is to run a server like this, especially with the amount of usage this site got. It had 126,592 unique users within 24 hours of going up, and had terabytes of bandwidth in usage. In an attempt to keep the site up, I thought audiobooks were a good option. I sold like 11 audiobooks, if it’s any consolation.”
This shows how little this Ganesh thought things through. "It cost so much money!" - nobody affected cares, you acted the same way the abhorrent big tech companies do, slurping content en masse while giving the middle finger to the community responsible for creating and maintaining it.
Ah, some heros simply do not wear capes, taking down Vibed Coded sites gets an Angel their wings!
Yuck, scumbag not only stealing their hard work but also trying to sell it.
I'm all for preserving the internet in the case of actual deletions and losses. A temporary outage does not constitute such a loss and trying to weasel some money out of it is quite damning as well. 100% support it being taken down.
I don't even know what AO3 is, and I'm not sure I want to at this point. 😅
Of course the people who use AO3 the most wouldn't be happy in the slightest about that site and especially the pay to listen audiobooks. Like, we don't need a vibe cuck coded clone ruining the reputation of both fanfiction and the largest fanfiction site in the world. Especially in a time where I guarantee fanfiction is under heavy scrutiny from dumbasses who say "ReAdInG bAd" alongside the elitist jackasses who don't consider it a valid form.of writing.
Also, the person behind the site really did a disservice to everyone by usong generative AI, which os the antithesis of fanfiction writing, IMO. Fanfiction writing requires some level of creativity, thought, and brain power. Vibe cuck "coding" a website is something someone whose brainwaves have completely flatlined could still do in their sleep.
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