I read the first 3 Dune books after seeing the movie and hearing about the challenges of getting that story on the screen. Love the first 2, the ending of the 3rd was ok.

I’m 3/4ths through the 4th and final Hyperion books. Absolutely incredible, I’m disappointed knowing I’ll be done with it soon. I highly recommend it if you’re at all curious. The author does an excellent job sneaking deep references into the colorful narrative; Keats and Ancient Greek mythology among them. The characters are vivid, varied, and somehow all relatable.

When I was younger I liked Vonnegut, specifically Galapagos, cats cradle, and slaughter house 5. I recently read Philip K Dicks “do androids… electric sheep” and wasn’t a fan. I loved the film blade runner, but the book kind of trudged on for me with, what I felt was, a let down of an ending. Asimov’s foundation was ok, but it lacked action and the characters seemed thin; I do like the concept a lot, it was just missing something for me.

So what’s next? I read a few classics in school and wasn’t terribly moved by most of them. I’ve considered giving Philip K Dick another chance, and possibly exploring the Dune books not authored by Herbert. I’m not a big fan of fantasy- at least in the horse riding, sword wielding, magic and sorcery vein.

Thanks for any suggestions

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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

The sparrow by Mary Dora Russell. Jesuit and his friends make first contact with not one but two alien species on a planet 4 light years away

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Read this one recently. I honestly didn't really get the point.

    (spoiler warning)

    Like what was the point of the suffering the guy had to go through? Is it just a critique of religion? It just seemed kinda pointless to me.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Just wrapped up Fall of Hyperion, which I enjoyed, but much less than Hyperion. I don't think I'm interested in finishing the series though. I've moved on to The Three Body Problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The Pliocene Exile series by Julian May, starting with The Many-Coloured Land. I've read that series at least 50 times, and it's always a great comfort to read again.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)
    • Octavia Butler
    • Ursula K Le Guin

    E: Markdown

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I’ve heard of Le Guin, thanks for the recommendations

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The Dispossessed is a really interesting look at anarchism in practice

    Also may I recommend the Culture series by Iain M Banks.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    People, please. Don't sleep on Butler either. A truly visionary artist. She's incredible. I hate how late in life I heard of her. Genuinely alien aliens. And she cooked up Make America Great Again for her neofascist fiction party decades before their lizard brains could copy it. It's literally in the books. She predicted the future with basically 100% accuracy. The series is Earthseed.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Btw this is not a criticism of your UKLG rec, I love her too and have read many of her books. She's incredible. I wanted to rec some non-male, non-white authors as well as the other good recs in this thread. Both authors are incredible

    Edit: Got Le Guin's initials wrong 😓

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I recommend you start with the Hainish series's trilogy (Rocannon's world, planet of exile, and city of illusions). The Left Hand of Darkness is better, and it doesn't require any of them, but those books will do a lot of world building so you can just focus on the story rather than ask what the hell the Ekumen is.

    City of illusions is also just hard-core payoff and that made it really interesting

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Immediately thought about Le Guin. Probably my all time favourite author. So many great novels and short story collections to choose from. Even her YA novels are thoughtful, wise and the prose is pretty much flawless. OP, let me know what you're in the mood for and I'll recommend a few books.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Did you read The Word for World is Forest?

    Cuz damn_son.jxl

    Edit: I haven't read all of it (i.e., all of her work), but I think The Left Hand of Darkness is my favorite, if I had to pick

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yes. Both are brilliant and although I'm not sure, I feel like the former had a big influence on Cameron's Avatar (much more so than Pocahontas tbh). Hard to pick a favourite but I really like the Western shore trilogy.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Maybe Iain M. Banks' Culture series, if you're not familiar with his work already. The books are generally standalobe stories, but there are some recurring side characters and references to earlier books. Consider Phlebas is the first one I think.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Honestly, I tell people to pass on Consider Phlebas a lot of the time. The first book is worth reading, but The Player of Games is a much better book and is a better introduction to the series.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've only read Consider Phlebas so far. If OP is looking for action then this is a good choice.

    I don't usually read sci-fi for laser fights and starship chases, but it feels justified in this one.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I suggest the Commonwealth's saga by Peter F. Hamilton (Pandora's star, Judas unchained).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    Been on a Peter Hamilton binge since I started Pandora's Star about 4 months ago, and have since gone through all 7 of the Commonwealth books (Commonwealth duology, Void trilogy, and Chronicles of the Fallers duology) Exodus: Archimedes Engine, and am almost done book 1 of the Salvation trilogy.

    So far my favourite is probably the Commonwealth duology, followed by Exodus. All of the books I've read have been amazing IMO, this is the first time I've read based solely off the author rather than recommendations. He can be pretty horny at times which is the main thing about his books that annoy me, but the world building is top tier IMO and the ideas he presents are fascinating.

    Highly recommend giving the Commonwealth duology a try, it's a bit slow going at first but once it gets going, I found it hard to stop. Amazing books.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Blindsight by Peter watts.

    Now some half-derelict space probe, sparking fitfully past Neptune’s orbit, hears a whisper from the edge of the solar system: a faint signal sweeping the cosmos like a lighthouse beam. Whatever’s out there isn’t talking to us. It’s talking to some distant star, perhaps. Or perhaps to something closer, something en route.

    So who do you send to force introductions on an intelligence with motives unknown, maybe unknowable? Who do you send to meet the alien when the alien doesn’t want to meet?

    You send a linguist with multiple personalities, her brain surgically partitioned into separate, sentient processing cores. You send a biologist so radically interfaced with machinery that he sees X-rays and tastes ultrasound, so compromised by grafts and splices he no longer feels his own flesh. You send a pacifist warrior in the faint hope she won’t be needed, and a fainter hope she’ll do any good if she is needed. You send a monster to command them all, an extinct hominid predator once called “vampire,” recalled from the grave with the voodoo of recombinant genetics and the blood of sociopaths. And you send a synthesist – an informational topologist with half his mind gone – as an interface between here and there, a conduit through which the Dead Center might hope to understand the Bleeding Edge.

    Blindsight is the ability of people who are cortically blind to respond to visual stimuli that they do not consciously see due to lesions in the primary visual cortex, also known as the striate cortex or Brodmann Area 17. --Wikipedia

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    It's blind sight the one that has vampires in it for absolutely no reason? I couldn't get through it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    If you haven't finished it how can you know they're there for no reason?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    I just said i couldn't get through the book, so no i did not get far enough to see the point in it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Right, my point is that you didn't get far enough to learn why they're there so you can't say they're part of the story for no reason.

    I found the book to be a fascinating thought experiment on the evolution of human consciousness, how we think and interact, and what it means for us as a species. If you can suspend your disbelief about the vampire I think it's worth the read, it's one of those books that made me stare off into space lost in thought after I finished it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Correct. I did not like the book. It happens. Move on.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's kind of weird you even have an opinion on it since you didn't read it in the first place. Like, why even comment if you didn't want to talk about it?

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    Nope, just enjoying how from the alien's perspective in the book this whole conversation would be considered electronic warfare and viewed as a hostile act.

    Also, with your short replies, it's almost poetic that this whole convo feels like I'm talking to a Chinese room

    No offense meant.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You missed the point of, everything about Blindsight? Did you think they were sparkly vampires?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    They're a forgotten anciant race of vampires that suddenly woke up and are now piloting space ships lmao it's incredibly cringy.

    I just said i couldn't get through the book, so no i did not get far enough to see the point in it.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I fucking did not like that book. I did not like any of the characters. Grrrr to that book. That is all. I guess in saying I wouldn't go more Hyperion. Do Revelation Space Series. Much better.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I gave Hyperion about 200 pages and they were STILL world building and offering leading secrets the author didn't think the reader needed to know. So I just gave up.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Couldn't agree more. I guess what baffled me was all the years it was pushed on me. Canterbury Tales in space. Got it. Didn't much care for the thing when Mrs. Baker was pushing allegorical shit and what not and I'm not digging it now that everyone is nothing I'm interested in rooting for. Harumph!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I'm with you. I was pretty close to giving up on it several times, but slugged through it at first because so many people said it was so great, and then because the next book was meant to be better, and then because I was over halfway so I may as well finish it. I wish I hadn't.

    I felt the Culture books by Iain Banks were a similar tone and style, but I found them much more enjoyable.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I loved the first two books, it felt like an adventure and a puzzle piece. Then the last 2 are 😬

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I liked the series until the point OP is at. The third book was okay but I just could not like Raul Endymion no matter what.

    The ending fourth of Rise felt like Disney wrote it. "Oh but you see it's bittersweet and--" okay but

    plot spoilageAnea fucking died and now she's back in Disney "everything's okay!" fashion for like 2 years or whatever, yeah she'll be gone but the book doesn't bother making even an ounce of progress towards that happening. "And Earth is back, and no one is allowed to visit it while it's just you and I and then and then and then". It's like a fucking 8 year old wrote the ending.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Revelation Space by Alastair Reynolds. If you like it (and I think you will) there are more in the series.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The Book of the New Sun (really 4 books) gave me the feeling of reading Dune, Hyperion, and Lord of the Rings kind of wrapped into one.

    I would also recommend the 4th Dune book (God Emporor), as it wraps up where the first 3 books were going with the Golden Path. After that, he starts a new trilogy, which doesn't get finished, so results may vary.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    If you're into a rich narrative and deep references, don't miss Cryptononicon and the whole Baroque cycle by Neal Stephenson.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Simmons' books "Illum" and "Odessey" are pretty great and feel like the same universe

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I wouldn't recommend Anderson Dune books.

    Pohl has some classics Heechee Saga Space Merchants Man Plus

    Ringworld

    Vernor Vinge: Fire Upon the Deep

    John Scalzi: Old Mans War Series

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I didn't really like the Hyperion series much myself, but both Dune and Hyperion are sci-fi with religious elements. Maybe A Canticle for Leibowitz.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Maybe Flowers for Algernon? I read this for the first time near when when I read Canticle. I much more connected to Algernon.

    MaddAddam trilogy also touches close to home for me, not least because Atwood is Canadian.

    I was also late to Childhood's End and The Chrysalids.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Flowers for Algernon is one of my top books of all time.

    That being said, it's definitely a different vibe than Hyperion or Dune. It's a lot more personal and almost doesn't read like scifi.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just bought that book, you will be hearing from me when I am 12 beers in after finishing it

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Similar in nature, but a bit more space focused would be the Foundation Series. It's a series by Issac Asimov where a mathematician sets up a planet to try to speed up a galactic dark age due to an empire collapsing.

    Apple TV has a series on it, but it actually focuses on what happens leading up to the main story of the first book.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you're looking for something epic but self-contained I really liked "Seveneves" by Neal Stephenson. If you want something that's got a similar level of art to Hyperion I'd suggest "This is How You Lose the Time War" by Amal El-Mohtar and Max Gladstone

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Very surprised I haven't seen Red Rising mentioned.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Haven't seen these mentioned here, but the "Old Man's War" series by John Scalzi is great as are "The Expanse" books by James SA Corey. I'd highly recommend those to anyone, but especially those looking for grounded and hard-ish sci-fi that doesn't lose the reader or become overly technical.

    I highly highly recommend Old Man's War to anyone looking to get into sci-fi novels for the first time, Scalzi really takes care of his reader and his writing is a delight. The Expanse books are awesome whether or not you've seen the TV series... the show runners really took care with the source material and, ask any fan of the books, it is a great adaptation. The show hits the same plot points of the books while getting there in new and interesting ways. Further, the show created a new character in Kamina Drummer who immediately became a fan favorite of both show and book lovers (she's an amalgamation of a couple of book characters and becomes her own thing that really adds SO much to the story and world building).

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thanks, I never considered myself a sci-fi fan so what you mentioned about old man’s war is appealing. That’s interesting the Expanse show added a character and still gets love from the book fans, speaks volumes to their adaptation

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I don't want to hype it up too much, but the Expanse show is really great... IMHO some of the best sci-fi television in decades. I'd say it's easily up there with "Battlestar Galactica" (the RDM or "re-imagined" series) and "Farscape" as a triumph of what I'd guess you would call "post-9/11" science fiction story telling. Most fans of the books would tell you to read them first, but I think either is fine because both are great (I read them as the show was airing and it was awesome all the same). My favorite character in both the books and TV series is hands down Amos Burton... Wes Chatham is the actor that plays him; he has said in interviews that he read the books before filming season 1, fell in love with the character, and it really effing shows. From the writers and show runners to the actors, costuming, and set design... they took great care to be loyal to the books while creating something new at the same time.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Give Philip K Dick a chance: Start with 'Ubik'. I think we all need a little bit of Dick in our lives, to broaden our horizons.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Ursula K. LeGuin's Always Coming Home is an intriguing approach to novel writing. Some can't get into it because it looks more like an ethnologist's report, but there is a story there (and I don't mean the segments with Stone Telling: the entire novel has a story that rewards those who pay attention).

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Some of my suggestions:

    • Forever War - due to time dilation this story follows combatants that spend decades at war while on earth hundreds of years pass (inspired by the Vietnam War).
    • Stanger in a Strange Land - Story of a human raised by Martians coming to earth. Has similar religious notes as dune and hyperion, but also has a weird Ayn Rand vibe (in my opinion, also not necessarily in a bad way).
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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The Forever War is such an important and great read. I'd put it alongside Catch-22 and Johnny Got His Gun for an anti-war novel.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I'm surprised I don't hear about it more. I only stumbled upon it somewhat recently and am amazed it doesnt get brought up more. While you can feel the Vietnam War influences, it transcends that war and give a compelling story about the costs of war writ large.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Both of these are excellent but very different thematically. Forever War is much more “space” and “time” where Stranger in a Strange Land is a mostly an Earth story with a critical eye on the being/psychology of humanity (albeit from an “alien” perspective).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I believe the most popular PKD is Man in the High Castle, my favorite is Ubik. But to be honest, if you disliked Do Androids, PKD may just not be your thing.

    Hmmm… maybe next go for something a little less ponderous, try some Neal Stephenson, maybe Diamond Age.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Haven't done Ubik yet, but I loved a Scanner Darkly. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep didn't really appeal to me either. It's got a bunch of cool stuff, but doesn't really manage to tie any of it together in a satisfying way.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    You read the expanse series?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Absolutely incredible, I’m disappointed knowing I’ll be done with it soon.

    Hyperion was def one of those series that I was sad to finish, like, it impacted me that "how tf can there be no more of it" way more than the norm.

    Simmons in general has a very wide variety of topics in genres & Hyperion alternates them nicely (while never really leaving sci-fi).

    any suggestions

    Maybe as a short palette cleanser 'The Terror' by the same author? It's completely different, but nicely done. I've read a few more books by Simmons after Hyperion & this one stood out* a bit more (it's not as polished as Hyperions, but much more than the rest I've read - overall easy to read, I like it when the setting/spaces are always explained, and most importantly it's one of those stories that I gladly let live in my mind).
    Warning: it has one instance of horse riding! But it's in horny a flashback :). It's a historical fantasy with good semifictional characters, really tasteful blend of actual Inuit stories, historical nautical facts, & authors own derived reality of both, also one of the top tier "monsters" ever ... and the Hyperion-style technical description that make sense of the basically literal alien world (the same story could have been set in planet exploration).
    [*Edit: I completely forgot about Ilium & Olympos. Those are sort of more of the sci-fi with the expected classical twist, but I stand by my Terror recommendation too, it just lacks interplanetary travel.]

    The real suggestion (and I can't/am unable to explain why the association in my mind) is the Rama series by Arthur C. Clarke. It's prob one of the top easiest writer/books for me to read (the way things are explained & which things are explained, how characters act, etc). It's nicely logical & absurdity fantastical without it ever being fantastical for the sake of being fantastical (ie the big amazing things always make sense & don't seem forced or unlikely).

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Somewhere I heard about Rama, I think I’ll check out more of Simmons’ books at some point. Thanks for the great recommendations

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh god. If you read Rama, stop after book two. Please. The first two are fabulous.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Dang are you me? Galapagos is one of my favorite Vonneguts. I recently finished Hyperion cantos too, and am now on book three of the Xeelee sequence which so far have been very good and give similar vibes as Hyperion.

    Someone else mentioned Blindsight which is maybe a top three for me. Different tonally than the Hyperion Cantos but still excellent. Same goes for Children of Time.

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