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[–] 41 points 6 days ago (1 child)

Yes, that was the plan all along. Uber intended to be a robotaxi company, but self-driving car technology was not ready. They launched with human drivers to build up market share. The plan was always to funnel profits from ride-shares into self-driving cars and then start replacing human driven cars with robots, where it would be profitable.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 days ago

    This shouldn't be a surprise. Both Uber and Lyft have had it on their website for years that their intention was to eventually have a driverless fleet.

    Rideshare driving has been a great thing for people who have been unemployed or underemployed. It has helped keep MAGA afloat. Without rideshare jobs, the unemployment stats would be far worse, and we would have a LOT more people on the edge, or even homeless.

    Perhaps we should limit the percentage of driverless vehicles that these fleets contain.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 days ago

    If you're in an area served by Fare... https://www.fare.coop/

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  • [–] [S] 29 points 6 days ago (5 children)

    Uber spent a decade telling cities that protecting taxi drivers was anti innovation. Now that robotaxis threaten its own business, suddenly limits on new competitors sound reasonable. Amazing how quickly »disruption« becomes »regulation« when the disruption reaches the boardroom.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 days ago

    Uber spent a decade telling cities that protecting taxi drivers was anti innovation. Now that robotaxis threaten its own business, suddenly limits on new competitors sound reasonable.

    Uber has also been working on and I'm pretty sure has been operating robotaxis.

    My impression is that human drivers were probably going to be a temporary situation for them as they built out their system, which would provide a strategically-advantageous position relative to competing robotaxi operators for them to do the transition to robotaxis.

    searches

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uber

    The company has launched or is in the process of launching robotaxi services in several cities worldwide in partnership with operators, software designers, and car manufacturers including Lucid Motors, Nuro, Baidu, Pony.ai, Avride, Nissan, Rivian, Zoox, Stellantis, Wayve, and Nvidia (to use the Nvidia Drive software).[3][4][5][6]

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago (12 children)

    In this case, the advantage is that autonomous vehicles have the real possibility to be significantly safer than human drivers (with some obvious exceptions - looking at you, Tesla).

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (11 children)

    I remember watching a video showing how increased reaction speed can virtually eliminate traffic jams (I believe it was this one?). It'd require nearly all vehicles to be automated, but someday city traffic might flow smoothly even during the busiest of rush hours.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 child)

    Many cities have public transit in the form of busses and/or subway systems, but regular street traffic still exists and car ownership has so much cultural inertia that it'll probably take decades to wean people off of them.

    However, that doesn't mean we should refuse to improve cars in the meantime just because they're not the transport solution we'd prefer.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 days ago (6 children)

    I keep forgetting that trains stop in front of every building!

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  • [–] 0 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    God forbid having to walk five minutes from the bus stop or train station

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  • [–] 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Good thing disabled people don't exist

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  • [–] 0 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    I must admit you are right because all people driving cars are disabled people, public transportation adapted for disabled people doesn’t exist, neither mobility aids.

    And exceptions for cars used by disabled people doesn’t exist either.

    /s

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  • [–] 0 points 5 days ago*

    Get real.

    Paratransit is excruciatingly slow and unreliable. Mobility aids don't elevate everyone to the same level as the most able-bodied.

    On another note, you're also ignoring poor transit service in suburban and rural areas.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago

    That might be true but only if there is fewer humans at some point.

    You can't just keep widening roads. There are 50 percent more humans in my city then 25 years ago. If you reduce traffic more people will buy cars.

    So at some point something has to give.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago (12 children)

    Honestly the sooner we have fully autonomous cars the better. This growing pain in the worst part but think about things

    • The ability to watch TV, eat, read, nap, work in your car if you want while it drives you places
    • a safer experience due to faster reaction times
    • less traffic jams and slow downs due to more coordinated timing
    • better independence for the infirm and elderly (this is one I think a lot of people overlook)

    Too many people are still scared at this point but overall this would be a positive step for societies. I know there are negatives (car could repossess itself or it could cart me off to jail) but we can’t always fall in the trap of “it has to be 100% right”.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 days ago

    Or maybe we could put all that effort into public transit? I lived in Germany for a few years. I did have a car, but I rarely ever used it. I could take a bus to most places in town, including the train station. Most downtown areas were pedestrian traffic only and it was very nice. Now that I live back in the US, I spend so much time in traffic. Their is always construction to make the roads bigger for all the cars. But it never seems to be enough. The whole thing feels like an expensive mess. I don't think self-driving cars will fix enough of the problems with cars.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    The entire rhetoric relies on the idea that self driving road cars are

    1. Feasible
    2. Desirable over rail or bus

    Tesla's failed efforts have proven time and time again that the road is full of unexpected and arbitrary inaccuracies, ambiguities and risks that cannot be assessed by a machine alone. They've also been sued in multiple markets on claims of false advertising because autopilot is not, in fact, autopilot.

    They don't even have the best system in the industry, that would be Drive Pilot, a Level 3 autonomous assist system by Mercedes-Benz. The only systems to have level 4 are taxis that only operate in limited areas, on limited, known routes, and they are well known for being very easily confused and blocking emergency vehicles.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago* (2 children)

    Tesla is far from the only player - they're just the loudest, and sadly the most embarrassing. Waymo and Zoox, for example, are demonstrating its real feasibility and desirability.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    To be fair, I've never stepped into a Waymo, but from what I've heard they're sent on pre-determined paths around a delimited area. These only seem to be feasible you can either strictly control your environment or adjust for a finite number of cases, such as a delimited area, and even that isn't working too hot for other road users.

    I still don't see the advantage versus a taxi bus.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago

    The "delimited area" comprises entire cities, and they are not following predetermined paths, except in the sense that they only follow mapped roads. And the entire point is to share the road with human drivers.

    Taxi buses do not operate on-demand.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago

    The only systems to have level 4 are taxis that only operate in limited areas, on limited, known routes, and they are well known for being very easily confused and blocking emergency vehicles.

    Even then, they have overrides for human operators when they fuck up. Driverless cars, my ass.

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  • [+] 1 point 6 days ago