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[–] 80 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fucking manufacturers should be forced to unlock the bootloader once they stop supporting a phone

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  • [–] 69 points 1 week ago

    From Google "Third-party stores are insecure" and "We won't fix VPN bugs in all Android versions."

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  • [–] 61 points 1 week ago

    This was apparently already patched in AOSP in October and if you use GrapheneOS and opted into security preview updates, you're already covered.

    https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/9024

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  • [–] 82 points 1 week ago* (6 children)

    Classic Google ignoring devices people still use that are bootloader locked meaning you can't even update them to a secure OS even if you wanted to. And allowing vendors to prevent phones from getting security updates. The phone industry is a total scam.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    So you buy a new one every 2 years.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Don't most phones get security updates for like 7 years now?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    No. Has to be enforced by each country/region.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    What? Since when? I have never heard of the same phone having different support windows in different regions. How would that even work? You go on holiday with your old phone and suddenly get several years of security updates when you're in a different country?

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  • Way back in the day, Samsung would even give the same name to completely different devices. "Galaxy S3 (International)" had a Qualcomm System-on-a-Chip and "Galaxy S3 (US)" was a whole bunch of different model numbers for each carrier, all with Samsung Exynos SoCs.

    In the US at least, system updates are managed by the carriers. 🀦 A device wouldn't get updates made for another region because they are different builds for each region or carrier.

    Verizon devices have never had unlockable bootloaders so they can't even get homebrew updates after Verizon stops supporting the device. Using open-source software and then locking it in should be illegal. πŸ˜…

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago

    As per the other comment at this time, when a cell maker wants to sell their products in a country/region, they make a deal which may involve security updates for the phones sold in that country/region.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago

    damn they should really stop making all these new vulnerabilities

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    I'm stuck on an old version of Android. I guess I'm getting a new phone when I get that text.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    If it's older than android 12 it might be safe. I'm still riding a 9.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    It does not brick your phone. It causes problems with cellular features.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago

    Lol yeah the first paragraph of the article even explains how the headline is wrong.

    In case anyone isnt aware, the term "bricked" usually means that the device cannot boot up anymore due to a corrupted boot partition or something. This is pretty much unfixable, because without a working OS or recovery environment, theres no way to connect to it via the usb port. You'd have to manually flash the eMMC chip or whatever they use in phones nowadays.

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  • This is capitalism at work guys. The only way out is to end it is from the root cause.

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  • [+] -57 points 1 week ago (30 children)

    why do people still buy android

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  • [–] 40 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Because the only usable alternative is worse.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    have you been paying attention to 2026?

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  • [–] 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Sure, because iOS never had this same vulnerability 🀣

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  • [–] -4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    because clearly its about the vulnerability and not the refusal to actually fix it

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    When did google refuse to fix the vulnerability? It was fixed in october security update. If you didn't get it. It's on your phone manufacturer, not google for not fixing the issue.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    i might buy this argument the fisrt generation this happened but this has been goong on for since at least 2008? ish when i worked in phone tech support

    google doesnt get to pretend they dont know what the down stream is doing with their product

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  • [–] 39 points 1 week ago (12 children)

    Alternatives include:

    • No smartphone. Eccentric, comes with significant practical and social costs.
    • Desktop-style Linux (PostmarketOS, Ubuntu Touch, others). Most hardware is barely usable or unusable. Few desktop apps are optimized for touch on a phone-sized screen.
    • iOS. Apps can't exist without permission from Apple. Even in jurisdictions that forced them to allow other app stores, notarization is mandatory and they can withhold it.

    All of those are bigger problems than the mild crappiness of Android.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Complete tangent, because the OP of this comment thread is a joke anyway, but my boss is in the first group. This guy may own a smartphone but it lives in a drawer, I'm sure. Like, he has never once just scrolled on his phone to kill time, no way. He might have sent one text message in his entire life. And this guy is only a couple years older than me, under 50. Some people just live in a different world. He and I both live in Illinois, just so you know it's not some third world country. Well, not yet anyways.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    im pretty close to becoming the tech guy with a gun next to his toaster, im sick of what the nerd reich has done on all levels of tech

    not much i really do on a phone any longer that cant just be done on a pc

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  • [+] -14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

    bro we both know mild crappiness isnt what im complaining about

    also both your option 2 and 3 are better atm

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  • [–] 6 points 6 days ago (6 children)

    I actually have PostmarketOS installed on an older phone. It's both really cool, and nearly unusable as a phone. It's slow. The battery lasts about four hours. The cameras sort of work... or did. I just opened it to refresh my memory of what was broken about the image quality and it says "no camera found". I hope Linux phones get better, but I can't replace my Android phone with this now or soon.

    As for iOS, I have no comment on whether it's better than Android or not, nor do I particularly care. Apple's strict control over the app ecosystem is so unacceptable to me that it makes the platform a non-starter regardless of its merits. I continue to be surprised that's not a majority opinion among tech-literate people.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

    β€˜an older phone’ is doing some heavy lifting there

    you got oneplus fairphone and pixel all working fine and heavily commnuity supported

    limited hardware choices is always the trade off

    as to apples control, given the september vendor lock change and the continued increase in locked boot loaders how is android not getting to be just as bad?

    but all of that is moot

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2026/10/26/google-changed-gmail-on-october-16-check-your-account-now/

    signs have been more and more obvious this year, how can anyone trust their personal data being safe

    and if you are running graphine or the like it’s the same boat as the linux os options

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  • [–] 5 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    It's a Pixel 3a XL, which does seem to be one of the better-supported phones on PostmarketOS, which I see has renamed itself Nura and might work better after a reinstall instead of an upgrade in place. It still doesn't claim to be ready for a general audience.

    how is android not getting to be just as bad [as iOS regarding vendor control over app installation]?

    Android is absolutely getting worse, but it's not as bad yet, and as bad isn't on the current roadmap. Important with regard to that is "Android" can mean more than one thing, including Android Open Source Project, Google-certified Android with Play Services and the like, a vendor distribution, or a third-party distribution. Even the worst case, a notarization-like system on Google-certified Android coming in the future, will be possible to turn off with an officially-supported procedure.

    how can anyone trust their personal data being safe

    You can't trust any of these megacorporations to do anything other than maximize their own profits, Apple included. It's possible to decide exactly how much Google stuff you want in some of the above descriptions of "Android" with increasing hassle as it approaches zero.

    and if you are running graphine or the like it’s the same boat as the linux os options

    No it's not. Open source Android distributions usually use kernels compatible with the OEM proprietary drivers, so stuff actually works. Something like that might be possible for desktop-style Linux, but that's not what the existing distributions actually do.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

    It still doesn't claim to be ready for a general audience.

    sure, and for the iphone crowd i wouldnt recommend it

    Important with regard to that is "Android" can mean more than one thing

    and im obviously talking about anything not fully stripped of google services

    my original complaint wasnt including graphine and that lack of clarity is on me

    You can't trust any of these megacorporations to do anything other than maximize their own profits

    don’t both sides same this, anyone paying attentions knows google has been especially bad this year

    the sad fact is ios is the lesser evil atm for personal privacy gag

    No it's not. Open source Android distributions usually use kernels compatible with the OEM proprietary drivers, so stuff actually works. Something like that might be possible for desktop-style Linux, but that's not what the existing distributions actually do.

    phone makes phone calls, camera does camera things

    banking is fucked but meh

    what exactly do you need? i actually like graphine but the problem is hardware keeps getting more hostile towards it, wont be long before it’ll be much worse

    this may be the last non adversarial generation of it

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    sure, and for the iphone crowd i wouldnt recommend it

    I'm the using desktop Linux for decades crowd, and it's not good enough to replace Android on my phone.

    phone makes phone calls, camera does camera things

    See my previous comment. The camera does not do camera things, even after I fixed the permissions problem for /dev/video* that produced the initial error message. It's a bit like the experience of trying to run Linux on a laptop (other than a Thinkpad) 20 years ago.

    what exactly do you need?

    Bare minimum:

    • A camera. Doesn't need to be good, does need to take pictures that roughly convey reality.
    • Signal. This is my main means of (tele)communicating with people important to me. There's Flare, but that needs to pair with a device running the official client (or maybe a fork).
    • Whatsapp. I don't love it, but it's hard to avoid.
    • A web browser and mail client PostmarketOS Nura has passible options there.
    • A VOIP solution for a USA phone number that can do calls and SMS. I use Google Voice now because it's free; I might pay a small amount for an alternative.
    • Turn by turn navigation for car and bicycle.

    Some things might work on Waydroid, which pretty much runs LineageOS in a VM. It was fussy last I looked at it, and that suggests the obvious option of running LineageOS on hardware, which I do.

    hardware keeps getting more hostile towards [GrapheneOS]

    They recently announced a partnership with Motorola.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    ok and? my buddy literally has been daily driving one for more than a year and the camera on his pixel works fine, not a 3 though

    im pretty sure he has whatsapp

    i think nav is a bust will agree

    and trust me im huffing the motorola copium but ive learned to be real skeptical

    wont be even the 2nd time they dropped a promise this decade

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago

    It's likely I could find a solution or a workaround to most of bare minimum categories if I worked at it for a while. Then I'd have a kind of usable, laggy phone with terrible battery life instead of the decent experience I currently have with LineageOS. Why would I do that?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)
  • [+] -12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    surely you understand how lemmy works

    fanboys are silly

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  • [+] -7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    of what?

    im very confused what you think i support in the phone department because i think they all suck balls and wish we had better linux options

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