Why people don't wanna switch from Gmaps (maybe at best a client app):

  • Gmaps has a monopoly on the navigation industry because of one thing: Bussness hours and reviews. It has been that way for years, and the only real alternative for this is Vela Maps, which is vibe-coded (or AI-made), until now

Competition arrives

  • A new project, called "Mangrove Reviews", has been quietly growing on the scenes and has been doing revoews for the FOSS industry, giving Google Maps SOME sort of competition, even if it's not to the level of straight rivalry
  • This service, tho, isn't enough to turn the tides. However, navigation services like MapComplete and CoMaps have been slowly working with them to finally bring convenience for navigation for the more newer or unfamiliar de-googlers

Is this real competition yet?

  • We can't know for sure. As stated in the latest CoMaps article (as of Oct 30th 2026), this is very niche. Competition for certain monoloplies have varying levels of success. Godot has succeeded on rivaling other game engines like Unreal or Unity, while attempts at YouTube altermatives like PeerTube only moderately succeeded. Mangrove Reviews, as far as I can tell, seems to be a very new project, so we can't know for sure. We just gptta hope they succeed

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[–] 13 points 1 week ago (1 child)

i don't think business hours and reviews are the main google maps has a monopoly. as someone who occasionally uses both google maps and openstreetmap, the main reason i use google maps is because it's just more reliable - some points of interest aren't on openstreetmap, and its search doesn't work consistently. i rarely actually use google maps for business hours, and never reviews.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    Post sounds either like an ad piece, the bullet points of a sales pitch, or a LLM summary.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Besides, I left out some minor typos, which none of the things you listed should happen in this case

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  • [+] -10 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    don't listen to them -- the anti-ai hysteria is everywhere.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    If you're not against something that destroys the environment, drives up energy prices and steals from artists and scientists you're a bit of a twat.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    You're not wrong, and I think that calling it a hysteria is bad, but there's is a degree where people hate LLMs the tool, instead of the actual, real capitalist companies that took the actual actions of stealing, building the data centres that fuck communities over, and aiding the literal fascist takeover.

    And in this specific case, for this specific post, I feel that it's paranoia, conflating bullet points, titles, and generally competent markdown usage, with LLM usage. Nothing in the actual content of this post is disagreeable in my opinion, knowing CoMaps and having heard the new review platform too.

    I think even if LLMs were used in this post (which I think they weren't, but hey), I wouldn't complain, because the content is not slop.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Oooh i gotta get on this, time to review all my favorite local spots 👌

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (15 children)

    Vela Maps is the best way to get accurate information about traffic and opening hours while interacting with Google only as little as you have to

    It's like NewPipe but for GMaps

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago* (7 children)

    you mean Vela Maps? I can't find Vera Maps anywhere.

    If you meant Vela, it's a month old, and it's CLAUDE.md file contains instructions to obscure how LLMs were actually used in the generation of the code for the project. I'll pass.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    yes Vela Maps, typo

    it works great and I use it whenever OSMAnd isn't enough or just simply unsuitable (finding restaurants e.g.).

    It's up to you if you'd rather use GMaps directly or just pass on important information like that OFC

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    ...or just live without live traffic information and get the other info from business websites

    traffic info is a nice-to-have, sure, but I've used just OSMand+ for years and it's never really been an issue.

    adresilo is a good way to get access to Google place data anonymously, if you feel like you need it. I used it a lot at first when it was a novelty, and now I use it about ~10 times per year.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    Sorry, but traffic info is an absolute must-have if you drive for a living. Even if you don't, getting stuck in traffic jams is a waste of fuel/energy, time, & sanity. It also is dependent upon where you are as some areas are better engineered for traffic issues than others (the older the major city, the worse it tends to be - it's particularly bad in the northeastern US).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    You can anonymously get Google place data free (unlike your suggestion) by opening maps in a browser like Firefox Focus that forgets everything each time you exit it. You can also use one of a few apps on F-Droid like GMaps WV that use an isolated webview to do similarly (although you should be aware this is less secure than Firefox Focus because WebRTC can't be blocked this way & the app's cache must be manually cleared).

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  • [–] -3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Yeah and Vela Maps does it even better

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    I've been using it off & on. While it's gotten better, it's still a bit much of a battery-killer, comparatively speaking. It's surprising how decent it is, but that's definitely preventing me from adopting it full time yet.

    Also, I find it copying Google too closely. For example, I've never understood why we can't just get directions without all the "alerts" that are over-reported by people just for Internet points. I hate already being a mile into a ten-mile construction zone, and being told there's "construction ahead" repeatedly throughout the rest of the construction. It's just so stupid and incredibly annoying. It'd be really nice to have the ability to select which warnings get spoken, and maybe disable all warnings for a selectable period (like 10 or 20 mins or miles).

    There's other stuff, too, but they're far more minor to me. Until the battery sucking issue is resolved, I just can't be bothered. I'm keeping an eye on it, though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I assume this is different to newpipe in an important way though. Newpipe is one-way, you just download video files through it. But in this case you effectively need to send your location to someone or its not gonna be able to supply you with information about traffic close to you.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    Traffic data being important is quite debated

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Debated by who? Even ten years ago I remember navigating on a long drive and it automatically redirecting me to avoid a massive traffic jam. Even now that's incredibly useful, back then it was absolute sci-fi!

    As for business reviews I don't think I've ever used that, why would I want to just read ads and paid comments?

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Sorry if I lead to some misinformation. Correct me if you can

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    I’m really happy with Organic Maps and not ready to switch unless something really better gets created, but I’d love something like this to be integrated in it.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    CoMaps is a much better fork of Organic from what I've heard of. Organic maps is less transparent and CoMaps is community-driven

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Organic Maps is less transparent in what way? Isn’t Organic also community driven?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (4 children)

    Why comaps? If its pretty much exactly like OSM, why not just work with OSM?

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    CoMaps is a real navigation app. OpenStreetMaps just provides map data

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