top 98 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 322 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (64 children)

FYI, not all bird glass has visible fritting. They also come with UV reflective coatings that are almost transparent to the human eye (unless you're really close to the glass), e.g.,

Some UV treatments are stripes, others similar to an elongated version of the fritting from OP, and then there's the camo-stick-like version above. Stripes are the most noticeable to humans.

ETA: From personal experience, the glass is completely transparent from ~2+ meters away, and you have to be very close or staring directly at glare from the sun to see it when <2m away.

ETA2: Someone else shared the Wikipedia article on bird collisions below, but I wanted to take a second to highlight this graph from the article:

If you think bird safe glass is cool, spaying/neutering your cats and keeping them inside or on a leash is waaay cooler.

(This graph doesn't include indirect causes of death like climate change, deforestation, and pesticide use, but that doesn't make responsible pet ownership any less cool)

  • source
  • hideshow 64 child comments
  • [–] 40 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    The graph's message is clear: immediately dismantle all wind turbines and ramp up clean coal!

    /s

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 48 points 1 week ago* (12 children)

    That's blowing my mind that birds, masters of the sky - a realm to which they can easily escape to where few can follow, are such a frequent snack for cats, who under usual circumstances don't often fly. Cats are like ninjas.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 12 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    There's that time of the year when birds land, make nests, lay eggs and have to hang around to feed their young. That's a very vulnerable time for them. Make sure your bird house and bird feeder are cat proof.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    I had an indoor/outdoor cat that would catch birds at night, bring them home dead , and play with them.

    What a mess.

    Next cat would only go out during the day and lay around. He did manage to catch two rats

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    My cat ran a mouse up my curtain yestetday. Came to bed, there’s a cat just staring up at the wall over my bed.. I figured it was greebles, but then the mouse poked it’s head out of the grommets..

    Needless to say I managed to scare it off the curtain and we teamed up to get it out of the house.

    My cats don’t get to go outside. I used to have a free-access catio, but a former cat would bring chipmunks inside and let them go, and once kept a dead squirrel in a box in an unused closet for three days while he ate it (i didn’t actually think to look in the closet he kept going into, cats are weird and do weird things..), so…. That’s not allowed anymore.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Pretty wild to think these goofy furballs we keep around as pets are apex predators.

    I had a cat one time that liked to play fetch. Just like a dog. Never seen anything like it.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Not sure house cats count as apex predators because they are also prey animals. A tiger is an apex predator because what eats tigers? But there's stuff that'll eat house cats.

    Nevertheless house cats are extremely effective at hunting small prey. I had a maine coon that drove my city block's vole population extinct for a good ten years. Big dude either loved digging or hated voles.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    I had a cat one time that liked to play fetch. Just like a dog. Never seen anything like it.

    I had a cat like that :)

    Colorpoint shorthairs (the ones that look like regular cats, not necessarily the over-bread siamese) are known for that sort of behavior. Mine was a cream colorpoint, and basically looked solid white, but “catdog” is how that breed is normally described, because they tend to be wildly friendly and play fetch.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Also note how low wind turbines actually are on that list. The oil industry lives to harp on the number of birds killed by wind turbines, but you never hear them about the much larger number of birds killed by vehicles.

    Still worth reducing every number on that list of course, but keep some perspective.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Many of these graphs were made to show that windmills do not really contribute to bird death.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Well it's not like we have windmills anywhere anymore now that we have electricity. You might be thinking about wind turbines, which aren't very good for milling, but can be used to generate electricity that can then be used for an electric mill

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Ah that explains it. But why would they bother with the dots? Perhaps to make it clear to others that the window is compliant? All the information I can find online seems to suggest that it's the dots that makes the window visible to the birds.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 44 points 2 weeks ago*

    From the wiki for bird-window collisions:

    There are several methods of preventing bird-window strikes. The use of ultraviolet (UV) signals to make windows appear visible to birds, while once one of the most common means of combatting this issue, is no longer recommended by experts. This is because while some birds can see UV light, not all can. Other solutions include window film (as long as it is placed on the exterior of the glass) and ceramic frit glass (glass with fritdots).[30] Windows can also be covered with decals spaced no more than 5 cm horizontally or 10 cm vertically to prevent collisions.[31]

    I had assumed it was cheaper to do dots, but it’s actually just more broadly effective. That’s a better reason :)

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    They're starting to crack down on cats in my area. They have a curfew. In some districts, they are not allowed outside. There are areas near me where cats are outright banned.

    The birds that die near me tend to hit the glass then fall into my dog's mouth. The cleaner the glass, the more it happens.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    The cats have a curfew? Have you met cats?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

    If they break curfew, they are captured and kept in cages. They might be forcefully sterilized or even killed via lethal injection.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Someone should figure out how to paint cats so that birds can avoid them.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    I knew it was bad, but its nice to see it in context like this. I love cats, but have never been able to afford them. They'll ve rescues and be trapped inside ;getting smooshed in my arms.

    Thanks.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    I think I read something like 90% of the cat killings come from non-pet cats, and there's maybe three pets for every four to five strays. Obviously, spay/neuter is the best defense, and on top of that maybe going a step further and trapping your local strays. And unless we start treating stray cats like pests, I'm not sure how doable it is to try to call the population via spay neuter.

    And I'll be honest, I'm less concerned about the mammals deaths, because I'd never be mad at my car for catching mice. Catch mice all day dude.

    And if I'm being really honest, I think some birds are real assholes, but maybe that's a discussion for another day.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    When they say Vehicles i bet a LOT of that is airplanes. Bird strikes are more common than you'd think.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    I'd guess the largest chunk of that bar is vehicle-related emissions.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Do you think they'd count that as vehicle deaths? It seems like emissions and pollution would be grouped together in their own environmental category. As it's hard to say "This death was due to emissions from this specific thing's emissions" rather than pollution in general.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

    Is the cat issue specific to the Americas or something? Because here in Europe we've had cats for thousands of years and in Africa they existed long before that even, so I don't see how some pets getting out sometimes is any worse than the feral cats that existed long ago

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    Domestic cats that go out to hunt aren't controlled by natural causes, like food availability for example. But they go out at night to hunt nonetheless, and they're usually in their peak conditions because they don't have to go hungry for long periods of time.

    As numbers that I am aware of,

    Cats kill an estimated 50-200 million birds annually in Germany, according to NABU and Max Planck Institute estimates

    With a cat population of Germany approximately 15 million, most of which are permanently indoor, the rest are keeping themselves very busy for no reason

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Birds that get eaten tend to have high reproductive rates, and if predator levels drop their population gets so high they start to die from hunger or disease (which spreads faster in crowded conditions). Many predators eat an incredible number of animals - a large owl may eat several small birds every day for itself, and a multiple of that if feeding nestlings. Cats aren't unique here.

    Domestic cats can be a threat to specific populations already endangered by other factors, but usually those are ground animals. Cats being a threat to population levels of birds in most of the world just isn't believable to me.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    I have always suspected it's a minor bit of public misdirection to keep the stray cat population down in North America. Other parts of the world have much larger numbers of outdoor cats and their bird populations are no worse off.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (5 children)

    How do these numbers compare to the number of chickens, turkeys, and ducks killed in animal agriculture? I think those are human-related deaths, so it's a bit odd to me they're not included. (I would assume they blow these numbers out of the water)

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    so it’s a bit odd to me they’re not included

    It's not actually, since that isn't what the graph is about.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Obviously the intention here is "human related wild bird deaths", but I think it betrays a pretty huge blind spot to title the graph in this way and miss ~90% of all human related bird deaths.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I think the concern isn't just that birds die, but overall species health. If we doubled turkey death, the assumption would be we doubled turkey pop first. With wild birds we don't have that assumption

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago*

    It's mostly a safe assumption for wild birds, too, though, and for similar reasons. It's easier to find a young oblivious bird, or a desperately hungry bird taking a risk in a less protected feeding spot, to snack on if the population is healthy, and when the population is smaller there is less predation because they all fit within the safe feeding areas. If a wild population is large, there will be more deaths due to disease (which spreads faster in crowded conditions), and more deaths from hunger as they outstrip their food sources. If the population is kept in check more by predators than by disease or hunger, it's generally not a threat to the size of the population.

    There are some specific locations that have certain animal populations actually under threat by domestic cats, but those are almost all ground animals and not birds.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    I believe that chickens and other farm birds account for something like 50-60% of all the birds alive at any given time.

    With some very hand-wavy maths I'd say its at least a 10x increase. ~50+ billion slaughtered for food vs ~4 billion from outdoor cats. Don't quote me on that, they're just the first two numbers I came across.

    I'd argue it's somewhat fair to exclude agriculture from the original chart because the damage cats do to wild bird populations is off the charts and owners should recognise that reality.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Cats get the most common types of birds, though, while windows can get entire flocks of less common birds during migration. For susceptible migratory birds, windows are a much higher population level threat.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 53 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    My grandparents lived near an estuary and had to put the dot stickers on their big, west-facing sliding glass doors to stop the high-speed waterfowl crashes that would happen every month or so. While I certainly understand it’s best for the ducks, one of my oldest memories is of hearing a BANG! And looking out the door to see a disoriented duck staggering around on the deck before shaking it off and flying away unsteadily.

  • source
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 74 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Many birds die afterwards by cerebral bleeding.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • I used to clean windows on big buildings. One time I was sent this new building that had just been put up in the span of about a year. They obviously didn't give a shit about any birds because when I was on their 7 floor patio one day I counted about 20 dead birds.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 28 points 1 week ago

    Bird–window collisions (also known as bird strikes after the aviation term or as window strikes) are a problem in both low- and high-density areas worldwide. Birds strike glass because reflective or transparent glass is often invisible to them.[1] Previous research estimated that between 100 million and 1 billion birds are killed by collisions in the United States annually,[2] but a 2024 study on the survival rate of bird-building collision victims indicates that previous research was vastly underestimating the number of deaths caused by collisions, and in actuality well over 1 billion birds die from collisions in the United States every year.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird%E2%80%93window_collisions

    The ducks that were able to walk away were lucky, probably not flying at full speed yet. And they were still probably concussed afterwards.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Dad, were you flying home drunk again?
    *takes a swig* Fucken' Huumans!

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 28 points 2 weeks ago

    "look at all those bugs just sitting there! I'm going in"

  • source
  • [–] 22 points 2 weeks ago

    You can also buy strips of those dots to put on existing windows. I have two glass doors on the back of my house that birds flew into so I spent an afternoon applying them and it's decreased enough that I haven't noticed it happening again, at least. They have been up for a few years without wear.

  • source
  • [–] 20 points 1 week ago

    I had to put decals on the bottom of my glass door to keep my dumb dog from bonkin' his noggin.

  • source
  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Does it really work, or do birds still crash into the windows, misjudging the small dots for insects?

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)
  • [–] 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    But this occupies 0.001% of my visual field, just to save some wildlife?

    More of this kind of regulation please.

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Well, since there are alternatives that achieve the same, but invisible to the human eye, i still think its an annoying choice.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Any idea what they are? haven't seen those before, lol. But seriously, I'm curious

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 35 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Worth it. Thank you smart people for saving what birds we can.

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] -4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    IDK, some birds are really loud and annoying

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    We need these for Humans. I work in a building with a large public work space. It is in the corner of the building with three glass walls. The single door is in the middle of the glass wall. We have had so many people walking right into the glass that we had to put logos on the glass to keep people from doing it. We have one lady with a huge collection of security camera footage of all the people doing it.

    I'm glad the cameras were not installed when I did that a few days after I started hooking up all the networking gear.

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    i hit a goose with a car once and i still mourn that moment.

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago

    My dumbass kept reading bird class. All building tenants must be able to accurately ID local bird life.

  • source
  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    So we can just stick on googly eyes?

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments
    view more: next ›