Can't believe I'll be the first who write it there

Finally, shower thoughts

FWIW I worked maintenance for a very large apartment community and at least 20 years ago the MOEN cartridges were very nearly bulletproof. They're what I retrofitted into my house when I bought it.

fuck delta with a rusty knife.

all their products require special tools and parts to service.

What's also helped me is ripping the regulator out

Kohler is shit now. Like equity firm enshittified shit. The last 3 products I've bought from them have been defective and unusable, including a toilet costing more than 1k. The lid stopped working on the first day. I tell everyone now, stay the fuck away from that company.

Kohler is never getting a kopeck of my money.

We put in a fancy one-piece Kohler toilet in the ~2000s.

Never flushed well because it was an early low-flow model and clesrly built for looks instead of functionality. The design provided no purchase for easily removing the seat for replacement, even with the special tool they provided for the task.

We finally broke down and replaced it with an American Standard which at least flushes well.

I'm planning to do a period renovation of my mid-century bathroom and have been looking for new-old-stock Kohler Triton (not "Triton Bowe") sink and shower hardware. Just my luck that the stuff gets made for 60 years and then discontinued right before I want it!

The main reason I picked that specific style instead of a Delta or Moen is that the aftermarket makes cool 'atomic' handles for them:

I've already got the hardware for the sinks, but I'm stuck trying to decide between traditional two-knob controls for the shower vs. a Kohler Rite-Temp single lever valve. The Rite-Temp is "better," but the two separate knobs would be more period-correct. Anybody have opinions?

These are showerS thoughts, you are breaking the rules douche-bag

Speakman ftw

I went with a Moen for my shower head. It was *fine *. Nice shower thought, lol.

We need to get rid of the fifty dollar cartridges and return to the glorious days of the 10cent rubber washer. I can't believe we took this step.

I'm more interested in the maintenance side. How often do you remove them and soak them to get rid of the scale?

I mostly care about low water consumption but those are extremely hard to find. Even more so with a REAL stop button and not that dumb "trickle" mode.

Currently using a handheld bidet with a flow reducing valve upstream.

Nicely done.

You got me completely. I've been banning spammers all day (I'm working on some mod tools that help identify some that fell through the cracks and should help us respond to reports better going forward), so my first reading was "Spammer?" lol.

Thank you for a very much needed laugh!

Instead of going with one of those unknown (store?) brands do yourself a favour and get a Grohe.

If you are talking shower heads I have no opinion, if you are talking toilets then Flushmate is the only choice.

Ok then

This is purely anecdotal but I've had maybe three issues with a Moen faucet over the years, and I've never ever even once talked to a customer service representative. Their reply to my support email is just a shipping notification for the replacement part. That's it, that's the whole interaction. Won me right over.