Why is everyone so obsessed with the 5090? It was always a luxury item. The real tragedy are the cards that used to be between $150-$350, you know, the ones people actually buy to play games with. That was the GPU market. For the first time I can remember "build a PC to save money" is bad advice. And it's sad for the hobby.
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Shortly before these fucking price hikes I upgraded my servers with 5090s and 256GB each. Plus my gaming rig with 5090 and 128GB.
For the ram alone I could now buy a used compact car and for the 5090s another one.
If this isn't total madness... And I once thought that 300 moneyz for a 3dfx is "a bit exaggerated". Haha haha h haha haha.
What you run in a desktop that needs 128gb ram before the bus width isn't good no more. Server things I can see somewhat. But a desktop.
Now hear me out.. there was a time when we didn't have to ask "do I actually need this much" because it didn't cost a fortune to have a nice computer.
Well a 5090 and 128 GB of RAM wasn't exactly cheap even then lol, I'm suspecting this guy must've dropped around 10k in upgrades for the PC + servers and that's assuming there were only two, the smallest amount to warrant a plural. Now it'd be closer to 50k I believe
"Need" is a strong word 😁 Mostly I totally don't. But running a windows-vm for some stubborn games takes a lot and still leaves plenty e.g.
and for the 5090s another one.
Yea have you checked the prices in the last week or 2? For what I'm reading as at least 3 5090s, you could easily buy a new compact car. You'd be lucky to get one under 10k new now, used can't be much cheaper.
So this is why microcenter is making people sign waivers. Because everyone knows it's happening they just need to prove their not taking part.
My computer that was made in 2019 went 2x in price because I bought SSDs and RAM and maxed it out. Crazy times.
Every month I see an increase in the price.
Prices on memory are not going to come down prior to 2028.
I won‘t hold my breath. Because even if prices are coming down in 2028 they will still be much higher than now. Because they will just keep climbing until then.
I think we‘ll have to endure until the early 2030s to see if owning hardware will be realistic in the long run or if mega corporations and the mass surveillance state won and we‘re essentially forced to move to the cloud.
Personally, I am all right with this. Eventually those cards will be obsolete at the data farms, and be resold to everyday people. We little folk will want all the local AI power we can muster, and odds are these cards will get modded to have more VRAM onboard and slim enough to only take double-width slots.
My own RTX 4090 takes one and a half double-width slots, preventing me from having a third RTX 3060 to support my projects.
I doubt they will be resold if they are physically modified
Why not resell? That puts extra money in the tank for the company's ledger. Just throwing away cards cost money, and obsolete cards take up server space or cost more energy for what they do.
If the problem is form factor, there will undoubtedly be clearinghouses that specialize in converting data center cards to consumer specs.
Maybe AI will make bizarre hardware usable with novel, stripped down and adapted OSs even as traditional PCs become rarer.
Edit: Am I getting downvoted for being wrong, or for saying something positive about AI? I mean, if you could run Linux on a PS5.... wait a minute.
https://linuxstans.com/turn-your-ps5-into-a-powerful-linux-gaming-pc/
You can run Linux on a PS5. And probably thanks to AI.
Maybe Jesus will kiss me on the cheek and I'll be able to perfectly render GTA 6 rtx in my mind.
But maybe we live in reality.
(science side of my opnion, LLMs are almost the same algorithm as a search engine in the background, making true novelty impossible. No one has yet created another novel OS like you describe for the AI companied to scrape, repackage, and resell yet, so its impossible for the LLMs to output such an OS.)
(The other other side of it is what do you even mean by a novel, stripped down, adapted OS? Like what has FOSS been developing for the past 40 years lmao? Anyone in the OS dev world knows usually the system itself is the most optimised part of the whole computer. Let's shit on uncompressed 140gig games if we want to shit on someone)
Probably should have said novel, stripped down, OR adapted OSs. That is to say they could be novel, OR they could be stripped down OR adapted to work on more limitted h/w. So, really, more likely stripped down or adapted; novel is the least likely. In the case of Linux on PS5, adapted.
I see that, and with the new ZRAM/CRAM developments its reasonable (to me) to assume more optimisation is on the horizon.
Unfortunately the problem of novelty is very much a difficult area with AI, as inheritly it is defined by its training data - so finding a new optimisation (which tends to have the greatest performance benefits) is generally out of the question.
This leaves it to reshuffle is training data in ways that appear novel, like running Linux on a PS5, but that just means these options were already possible just unexploited.
I feel like that brings me to the same "benefits through adaptation" conclusion as you reached, but with less optimism. I'm confident enough that existing devs and humans are capable enough to find 99% of these adaptations independently, which leaves any AI devs stuck trend chasing well past an ideas expiration date.
I mean, no. It will not. Some neat features or hacks may be LLM assisted, but it isn’t a miracle.
Besides, we can’t even convince people to switch to Linux, even with the RAMpocalypse in full swing. The vast majority still run Windows (or OSX/iOS/Android). How can we get even a fraction of them to hack a PS5 or something like that?
The other side is… what’s even out there to hack?
Old PS5s? Old PCs? Old Macs? Old servers? All these are skyrocketing in cost, and the instructions/features they physically support are aging. The only thing that’s plentiful are old smartphones, and you can already turn those into Linux boxes.
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