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[–] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Once again OpenStreetMap for the win but obscured from public view. Though I will give MapQuest credit for proper attribution on the camera data view.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    Now do Axon, Motorola.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago*

    There is a poject, Surveillance under Surveillance, which has been mapping surveillance cameras for more than 10 years. They are mapped in openstreetmap and anyone can add them.

    Surveillance map of Western EuropeSurveillance map of west Europe

    Only a small fraction is maped in my western european country.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Canada?

    Guys, what happened??

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Unfortunately there are ALPRs there too. Mostly big cities. Toronto, Ottawa, Vancouver, etc. Plus some watching major highways. A few in small or mid sized towns like Kamloops. Or Kelowna.

    US has the dubious honor of the #1 spot by far, but Europe's coming in strong too.

    This shit is like a cancer. Once the tech advances to make it possible, it spreads all around and it's going to be a huge exhausting fight to get rid of it.

    Corrected post b/c I am an idiot.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    They dont show them over here at all, because we are not a police state

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  • 33 comments in c/canada@lemmy.ca view that post
    [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    I wonder how many are home Depot parking lots...

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    I kid you not, outside of Ontario and Montreal, most are at the two ubc campuses.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    From what I remember when this was posted on !ubc@lemmy.ca and the UBC subreddit, they ARE automatic license plate readers, but they are likely not connected to a wider network.

    UBC uses them for parking enforcement, where if you park too long then you'll get a ticket in the mail. I feel like they've been in use for many years now, but I can't confirm that.

    I'd support a review of the cameras regardless, in case they ARE sharing data, storing it too long, using it for some other purpose, capturing more than they need to, etc

    However, I'm not as concerned about these ones compared to something like Flock potentially setting up on our public roads

    edit, sources from another thread:

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    I mean makes sense there are standalone LPR cameras that work locally. Not so much of an issue with those as the data is not uploaded anywhere and can't be used to track people.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    I haven't caught any at our HD, but our Lowe's has 4 of the fuckers checking 2 entrances.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago

    My HD and Lowes both have them. The lowes, in an ultimate dick move, doesn't just track you coming to their entrances, they put them where they can see the intersection of the whole fucking mall, both ways. They're getting thousands of cars.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (14 children)

    I stopped and uninstalled once I saw the subscription model, fuck that. Let's just tag them in OSM and use FOSS

    Edit: OK, credit where credit is due, the full-screen SUBSCRIBE TO OUR SHIT for an outrageous price is a "suggestion" with a little no thanks line that you can ignore it with. And while it's kind of a dick move, it doesn't have an unreasonable amount of ads in it ... yet.

    It gets my begrudging star of approval based on the ability not to sub.

    Also, oddly, it's not using OSM in my area. I did all the OSM in my area and there are roads that only exist here because I put them in, The roads it's using for my hood are wrong. it's missing chunks of road that OSM has never been missing and it's got new, under contstruction roads that are wildly innacurate, and the version of those in OSM were done by me so i don't know where they're getting their streetmaps from but it doesn't look like it's OSM, google, bing, or apple.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I'm torn.

    On the one hand, FOSS all the way.

    On the flip side, mapquest is fucking based. Straight up "lol no" to trump renames" and now this.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    FOSS is not the only way to make ethical software. Entities like Google could choose to not be evil, it's really not that hard, evil is a choice.

    Mapquest seems to be different, but the bar is on the floor so that's not saying much.

    But the idea that a pay-for-ad-free subscription is so offensive is a ridiculous purity test; the devs need to be paid somehow. Frankly I never even noticed as I have a system adblocker and Mapquest has never complained about it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    If a business chose to not be evil, it would be outcompeted by the businesses that are evil. Most of the evil we see business committing is a result of maximizing profit, and in a system where profit is the primary motive (capitalism), evil will always win. It's an illusion of choice because the non-evil business tend to stay small at best, or go out of business at worst.

    FOSS is a different system where a project's existence isn't contingent on profit; the developers just want to make good software. So sure, it isn't necessarily the only way to make ethical software, but it seems to be the most consistent way, and I have a good feeling that it'll continue to catch on as enshittification continues to rear its ugly head.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    I'd gladly chip in for part of sub so we can export/import en masse to osm in an automated way.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Note that OSM culture specifies that you should only add data that you have confirmed yourself, or if you go through the steps for a proper data import.

    However that doesn't stop you from preparing a checklist to make it easier to verify each, and then adding the verified ones

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    They might be using it, but they're not using it in my neighborhood. There are wrong streets all over the place and I've keept the OSM for my neighborhood meticulously clean for years. I have thousands of elements across hundreds of houses. And they're not just behind, they have roads that are under contstruction but they're not accurate and I'm the only person who's put them in on OSM, using drone footage I collected myself.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    I'll start doing daytrips and put all the ones in for the metropolitan area near me. wouldn't take that many of us, editing OSM to make it perfect is practicelly a Neuro-Divergent wet dream :) And their editor is very nice.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago

    Fuck the toronto police btw.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I’ve just checked my area… the distribution doesn’t really make sense. Some of them I already knew about, but there’s a few where roads don’t even exist.

    I do think it’s the start of a fun game though; get from point A to point B without passing a security camera. You could gamify it further by requiring driving within the speed limit and penalizing 30 minutes for every surveillance camera passed.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Distributions are definitely odd. I've started seeing fewer of them in my city, but I do recall there being one on a remote side road, not exactly in the middle of nowhere, but definitely off the normal road.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    Protest tech for the people. That is refreshing!

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    Is this only in the app? I haven't found it in the browser version (though I may well be overlooking something).

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I got the iphone app a few days ago. I cannot see where you turn on the cameras. Went through all the settings in the app to no avail.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    I definitely prefer how Google maps looks, find MapQuest doesn't highlight local vs highways, but fuck google

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Where did they get this sort of information from? I want to know how to see what cameras and where are surveiling.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Now do Axon, Motorola.

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    [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Sorry if this becomes spammy, but as a reasonably long-time user of and contributor to OpenStreetMap (whose data MapQuest uses), when I see threads like these, I try to offer support to anyone who's interested in/already using/contributing to OpenStreetMap.

    If you have any questions whatsoever about things like getting started, how to survey efficiently, what kinds of details you can map, problems you've been having, etc., even if you think they're really dumb, please feel free to ask. At worst, I can try pointing you to a relevant article on the official wiki, and at best, maybe we'll both learn something.

    I wouldn't be asking if I didn't believe every single well-meaning contribution is valuable and that yours would be no different.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Anyone have a handle on the pros and cons of Mapquest over Google Maps? Trying to slowly (very slowly) plan a de-Google someday.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Mapquest is owned and operated by System1:

    System1, Inc. is an American digital advertising and customer acquisition company. Formerly known as OpenMail, it was founded in 2013. It describes itself as operating a "Responsive Acquisition Marketing Platform", and cites privacy as one of its principal foci, although it has been criticized for its influence on privacy-focused properties, including search engine Startpage.com.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System1

    So, you're still fundamentally dealing with an ad company, which is not great. They do seem to have some intention to maintain end-user privacy, but how extensive is it and how long will it last? Don't know.

    On the other hand, Google has completely abandoned any pretense of not scraping its users' information for everything they can squeeze out of it, and dumping it all into Gemini. System1 doesn't currently have any major AI development projects.

    Never mind, they definitely have some kind of AI development going on:

    System1 is an Industry-leading omnichannel digital marketing platform, powered by Machine Learning and AI, that monetizes internet traffic by putting the right ads in front of the right people at the right time.

    https://system1.com/what-we-do

    This probably has something to do with using AI to match data about people with ad placement, though the website is not specific.

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