I think the thing I miss most about the old internet was the fact that many people just produced things without worrying about getting paid all the time. Websites were basic but fun, people uploaded funny videos just for laughs, and sites like Reddit were hardly heard of.
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It's a store where there's a pickpocket in every aisle, all the products are cheap fakes and the registers are programmed to cheat.
The social contract was that everyone was a custodian of that library. That's how we got Wikipedia.
Social media and monetization broke that social contract. Another building was constructed beside the library. People were checking out books from the library and selling them at the market.
Now with LLMs, those books are being burnt. There's a trillion dollar giga-sized building next to the derelict library and the fast becoming defunct market that is industrial scale mass producing pulpy books.
Wikipedia still exists, in fact it's expanding every day...
And the fascists have been going after it wholesale.
Here's what N. M. Klein wrote about the internet all the way back in 1998, likening it to a labyrinth.
I don't say this often, but this text has completely changed the course of my life.
Some choice quotes:
1998 is still a dangerously nascent stage in the Internet, while a trillion dollar nest of dragons sets up shop.
Inside, you have seemingly infinite choice, but practically no way out. In fact, you prefer being trapped a bit. That gives the story some bite. Why enter Happy Imprisonment? Because you slowly catch your breath. You expect to outwit the program.
Pockets of confusion in the system let the player imagine that there are ways to subvert it. It's a Faustian sim-bargain. The player submits to the labyrinth, then pretends to cheat.
Simulating revolt is more fun, and a better investment. [...] But consider what sim-revolt implies as a broader model for public life? We pretend that the labyrinth of the Web makes us free of the global corporate program that builds and owns it. We feel above the swamp of idiotic web sites. We know how to surf. The demon apparatus can't get us. We can dig out of anything. We're never trapped.
Recently, there is talk of voting on the Web. Is a cross between ergonomic fascism and the shopping mall the best frame of mind for making political decisions? Let us not mystify information delivery too much. Despite the services, it is not fundamentally democratic, only the freedom to chat. The server and the search engine are a feudal plantation. They decide for us, when to plant, when to hunt.
The labyrinth is a mood of passivity. It's like saying you're never really trapped in bad traffic. Just because we can subvert the Web by saying nasty things or engaging in cyber-sex in the margins, or downloading information cheaply, does not mean that we are subverting any core reality.
He was wrong about voting.
It would make voting easy and accessible.
They don’t want that at all.
Everything I've seen about internet voting has shown me that making it even little bit secure and fair is basically impossible. Would be interested in some information to the contrary!
The fundamental problem with online voting is that putting the data online even in an isolated manner immediately creates the potential for a small attack to affect large numbers of votes, which is much less cost effective an attack than when they're on paper and physically distanced.
Someone will inevitably mention the Tom Scott voting machines video, whenever this topic comes up, so it may as well be me today.
I find this blinding so I went and got another screenshot for yas.

I Walk the corner to the rubble,
That used to be a library, line up to the mind cemetery now,
Ugh. I get it, but I dislike poetry that avoids grammar to make something seem deeper than it is.
I walk to the corner
To the rubble
That used to be a library.
Line up
To the mind cemetary now.
This is exactly how I feel about the internet: it should've been a reincarnation of the Library of Alexandria, not Wall Street.
Once its no longer financially viable, they'll let go. Right now its exciting and accessible. A lot of new people are online shopping when they never have before. I think eventually those people will get sick of it. The excitement of getting packages and filling your house with stuff you don't need will wane.
I don't think they will let it go. At the end of the day, people still need to buy stuff, and if they can do it from a phone, that saves them a trip to whichever physical store they would have gone to. Also, sometimes people need highly specific things that they can't get at nearby stores, or maybe there is a nearby store with the thing but they have to search to find out about it.
If they let it go, it'll probably be due to an economic crisis in which shipping is too expensive and no one can afford to buy anything other than groceries anyway. It won't be because people stopped wanting to buy stuff. And at that point, we'll be screwed because no one will be able to afford to maintain the internet either.
I think if we're going to get the Library of Alexandria back, we're going to need to build dedicated corporation-free online spaces where people can share information, and we'll need to figure out a viable funding model for that. Like, well, libraries.
Yeah and this is why my friends all have gibbity subscriptions: "its so much easier to find info instead of scrolling through reddit or a ton of google pages that are ads! I set my gibbity up to tell me the weather!"
Jfc people are stupid and I hate everyone and I must scream.
/rant.
"With Spotify, playlists are created for me!"
Bud, you're letting someone else define your preferences, and giving up ownership.
ok but hear me out; I made some wild musical discoveries by having playlists generated based on a song, add it to the main playlist and do the same with some unkown song in said playlist until I have a big playlist of very weird niches combined.
Thats fine on the surface sure. However as previous person said, youre giving up your preferences to an algorithm and its eventually going to push you to corpo slop for profit as is the goal of all things capitalism. Do you trust the Facebook algorithm to feed you news? Streaming platforms are the exact same thing. Its very nefarious because it seems harmless.
I think people forgot how life used to be, and its really sad. Ask a friend or make a post for music recommendations. Go to local music stores. Use bandcamp. Search the web fkr music blogs. Theres unlimited potential and people forgot how to be humans.
I don't actively listen to music anymore at the moment but the thing about a good algorithm is that (it seem like) it notices things about your preferences that you wouldn't have noticed because of biases and also it has a database of stuff to pull out from whereas you have to go in blind and hope to stumble onto it.
I get the gut reaction of "algorithm bad" but not only is it not 100% corpo interests all the time, it's just one of the ways to find new music.
Also:
Do you think a local music store would stock only niche items that 99.999% of their customers won't like? No but the advertising algorithm doesn't care if you like weird shit, just that it can push something to you.
Got a bit rambly but I guess I made my point.
Well Spotify does endorse terrorist organizations (us military, ice) so I won't support them.
I'm also gonna say I don't agree. Its always corporate interest. You think google maps exists to be a nice little helper to find your way around town? Fuck no. They track your every move ,every single store you go to, then they buy data from credit card companies to get your buying habits and then start routing you directions past stores they think you will like. Or using Alexa in old folks homes to record them and then sell medications to them (this happened not long ago here on Lemmy). These are the less nefarious examples but it then leads to bots on Facebook influencing the way people vote and then bam, you have fascism and wars and people dead because of algorithms. It all leads back to it. Its dystopian as fuck and sounds insane but I am 100% right on this.
Sure, a music store won't have absolutely everything but that was just one of my options. I'm not blaming you for liking streaming and algorithms (just like 99.9% of the world now) I'm just trying to open your eyes a little on the real human cost of this type of thing. Its not a good road to go down. If you are fully aware (as you seem to be) then its not as bad, but still be careful.
and they like it they like being cattle.
Its terrifying. People dont want to use their brains. If anyone has any shred of hope for humanity I'd be interested in how thats possible.
More like "mob-controlled gambling den" than store.
Capitalism is a machine that turns all freely accessible public goods into paid products and services.
But hey, look at the GDP rising. Don't you feel richer?
I should visit the local library again
It's not just the library. I've been doing a lot of the stuff I did two decades ago as a teenager. Thrift stores, Half-priced books, the library, the mall. As a chronically online person, I can't explain the exact feeling of it. It's somehow both less and more. The internet was this amazing grand archive and forum. It was everything, but now most of everything has been stolen and sold off.
Edit: but yeah check out your local library. It likely has an events calendar online that you can browser for reasons to go.
You should before the tech bros turn into a store or subscription service along with everything else.
I wish the internet WAS a store. It’s a lavatory these days, full of shit and scribbled texts on the door aiming to rot your brain and to destroy democracy.
Hey there, now... it's destroying more than just democracy.
It's a store. Profit and greed are a huge factor in what the internet has become. We used to have people paying for hosting so they could provide information to the public for free. Now every fucking moron wants to make money by making 'content', it predates AI, by a lot.
It was just another form of enclosures where the wealthy locked off huge areas of the commons floor their own private gain and forced the rest of us to get a subscription
This... This makes me so sad.
I count myself lucky that I'm a non-academic that has access to a physical library at work.
"gotta keep the poors uneducated as possible. easier to control them." - rich fux
They don't want you to know this but the stores used to be libraries too, and then some fuckhead didn't like the poors being on his commons and said "yes, private ownership is the best way to manage distribution of these communal resources!"
This is canonically accurate as in the beginning, it was basically universities that had the connections from "the Internet". Of course, the defense dept had it first and then probably couldn't figure out and gave it to smarter people. The rest is history.
Its never been easier to get free software, and if anyone is telling you the internet used to be easier to parse then they were not there in the beginning.
Gopher sites were great for finding information, if the information was actually there. The tree structure made drilling down to what you needed very straightforward. Mind you, the internet was also small enough that I had downloaded and pribted a book that listed every site and a short description of what it contained.
lol no, I remember altavista categories sending you to shops. But it was a sane environment. Now the world's gone crazy and the web with it.
because the internet is a store but it used to be a library
Joke's on you. It is a dumpster fire of long ai slop articles. the continous churning of slop is keeping the dumpster fire going with no end in sight .
The internet is Dead People. The internet is DEEEAAAAAD !
Anyone else played around with reticulum?
Because it feels a lot like library-era internet.

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