They may look like travel shampoo bottles and smell like bubblegum, but after a few hundred puffs, some disposable, electronic cigarettes and vape pods release higher amounts of toxic metals than older e-cigarettes and traditional cigarettes, according to a study from the University of California, Davis. For example, one of the disposable e-cigarettes studied released more lead during a day’s use than nearly 20 packs of traditional cigarettes.

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[–] 103 points 1 year ago (35 children)

The three "brands" they tested are all from the same outfit, who most certainly sources them all from the same sweatshop in China. This does not apply to all disposables by any stretch. There's plenty of better reasons to dunk on disposables.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I saw this same exact comment under another thread that talked about a study, but it was clearly wrong as they were from different parent companies. In this case, the brands aren't even named in the study. Again, I must ask for source for your claim, but again I don't expect you to provide it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Because it’s the same headline on every article. Also, someone else posted the study.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Like I said, the three companies named there are not the same companies, but you claim they are, and are sourcing it from the same Chinese sweatshop, even tho they don't even seem Chinese.

    https://www.elfbar.com/

    https://www.escobarvape.org/

    https://mipod.com/collections/

    So, again, can I get a source for your claim that all these are the same company sourcing their stuff from Chinese sweatshop?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Since nobody else will provide the actual clarity

    EscobarVape and Elfbar are created by two separate Chinese companies, Shenzhen Innokin Technology Co. Ltd and Shenzhen iMiracle Technology respectively. Mi-Bar is created by an American company but has partnered with Elfbar to distribute Elfbar products in the US

    Really wish more people would just provide the facts that speak for themselves, rather than point fingers about who is and isn't doing their research

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  • Also, it's only disposables. I use the rebuildable rtm coils with tiny microcoils I wind myself and cotton at 12W, and I've had my blood tested recently per a physcial and lead was on the sheet at a negligible amount.

    Some other dude might use an entirely different brand, someone might use pods, someone might use old gear, set in their ways.

    And the coils for all of these setups range from pieces of mesh to metal plates to wound pieces of wire to ceramic disks to who knows what. There is no standard.

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  • [+] -48 points 1 year ago (28 children)

    Yeah keep on trying to justify your habit. Just admit they’re bad but you like them anyway.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Where was the justification in that post? Did you just wake up this morning and decide to be a dick or is this just normal you?

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  • [+] -18 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    So expecting actual scientific evidence instead of going based on the vibes of moralizers is just rationalization? Also did you even read their last sentence? Invalid.

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  • [+] -22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Actual scientific study. Gets called not a scientific study. No one looks for the studies of other brands. Angry vaper calls scientists “moralizers,” demands study that favors their views.

    Invalid.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    You are the dullwit that is trying to apply a study about Chinese made disposable vapes to all vaping.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    You’re the dullwit who thinks there’s nothing wrong with inhaling propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, and whatever they fuck is in the “flavor”

    Just admit it’s bad for you and then keep doing it, because it’s your fucking body— And I don’t give a shit. But it’s immoral to tell people there’s nothing wrong with it, when they’re definitely is.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Yes vaping is worse than not vaping. Its bad. I like them anyway.

    Why don't you take your judgemental attitude and fuck right off bud.

    "How dare you not live life the way I think you should!!!"

    Christ you people are so annoying.

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  • [+] -22 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    That interpretation is your own opinion, and not reality. I don’t care if they do it. Just stop pretending it’s not bad. No one should be inhaling a heated/burning chemical that smells and tastes like bubble gum and produces a “smoke” like vapor when you exhale.

    What I think is annoying is people who keep trying to make it not sound bad.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    "Don't be so judgemental about my judgement. If you're going to smoke something you might as well smoke meth"

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Why are you putting that in quotes? Is it because you said it? Yes.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm paraphrasing you in a teasing manner.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It’s rare that anyone on here teases.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Well I'm teasing. With a feather. Dismissing harm reduction because you believe a big tobacco hit piece is a little silly IMHO.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    People who don’t vape see these articles and think that vaping is OK. Then they go from non-smoker who doesn’t vape to a person who does vape, which is not at all harm reduction. If I’m not correct then why are there so many people vaping who never smoked? People have been tricked into thinking that this is something that’s OK for them to do. I don’t mean socially, but that it has zero risk or low risk.

    So, you can call me silly all you want, but please don’t tell me that I’m dismissing harm reduction, when I’m very clearly not.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It pretty difficult to quantify the amount of people who never smoked who would have smoked if they hadn't vaped. This is clearly a big tobacco hit piece. I'm completely fine with becoming an anti vape crusader. Once leaf tobacco is dead.

    Edit: enjoy some tunes https://youtu.be/K3Kupv4Lxgo

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I literally said it's bad. I agree, in an ideal world no one would be smoking or vaping or drinking etc the list goes on and on.

    We don't live in an ideal world.

    If I could go back in time and stop my dumbass 16 year old self from smoking, I would. I'm just sick of dipshits like you acting all high and mighty because you don't have an addiction and don't understand how hard it is to get off nicotine.

    Let people live their lives as they want and mind your own god damn business man. Not that hard.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I wrote a big long post but it boils down I agree with you and you wrote it better.

    I beat alcohol after years of trying and more than one rehab. Quitting nicotine right now seems more daunting than the drug that ruined most of my life. It's that addictive and vaping personally feels better for me than smoking a cigarette.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Congrats! I enjoy my drinks a little more than I should, it's hard to get past that feeling of "I'm bored, a few beers would be nice". Seriously, good for you, I'm happy you finally beat it!

    Nicotine is hard because it doesn't have such a strong effect on your life the way alcohol does and it's (mostly) accepted as a vice that isn't that big of a deal. No one at work is gonna judge you for having a vape/smoke break like they would if they smelled alcohol on your breath for example. It doesn't make you hungover, or irritable, or tired because you stayed up to late etc. It simply becomes a part of your daily routine and that's the hardest part about giving it up. I've been addicted to nicotine for 15 years now, 6 on smokes and 9 on vaping. Almost half my life at this point. I've tried 5 times to quit and I've never been able to make it past a week.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Don’t have an addiction? Who said I didn’t smoke for 15 years? Who said I didn’t use “ecigs” for 5 years. Who said I wasn’t off and on those nicotine mints for years? Who said I don’t fuuuukkinggg love opiates? Who said I haven’t struggled with alcoholism for decades?

    You know who’s high and mighty? You.

    I don't pretend my problems are “okay” because I can still hold down a job.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I can’t fathom how they’re legal. Disposable e cigarettes? The waste is insane, and the people using then aren’t properly disposing of them either..

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Because the Trump and Biden FDA banned everything else already. Now they want to ban whats left in order to push people back toward cigarettes which can still be purchased at every gas station, grocery or convenience store in the country.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They aren’t in the UK, technically, but manufacturers get around it by making them rechargeable.

    I’ve read about people that don’t bother recharging them, though.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Have you seen the Brit who made a bicycle battery from disposable ecigs?

    He’s the one who made me aware of it, and made me contact political parties about their stance on them.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VcVp9T8f_W4&pp=ygUgRGlzcG9zYWJsZSBlIGNpZ2dhcmV0dGVzIGJpY3ljbGU%3D

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There needs to be a $20 deposit on them that you get back when you turn in the empty vape.

    Or, hot take, make vapes you can refill.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There are ones you can refill, the disposable ones should just be banned altogether.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The ones you could refill were the only game in town at the beginning, only thing I ever used. Need to get back on flower for weed but the cartridges are super convenient, at least they don’t have batteries(I know there are disposable weed vapes, not the same as the cartridges)

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  • [–] 75 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    **PROMOTED BY THE “MAD MEN” AT LUCKY STRIKE!

    Just have a cocktail and smoke a cig, it’s better than weed and ecigs! How dare you switch because of rat poison found in our cigs and how the RICH banded hemp due to lobbying by the paper people… not due to anything else! Cool!

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    I wonder if this is part of why gen Z is turning conservative.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (20 children)

    Where? Why? Is it a quality control issue or an inherent danger of the technology?

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  • the disposables are the problem. probably manufacturing or regulations. the way the coils aren't changed, the way it sits in it, the way they use highly concentrated nicotine salts... it's nothing like the classic refillable tank and box mods that just took regular juice with nothing but PG/VG/nicotine/flavoring

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Chemical composition of the resistance wire

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Could also be due to soldering the resistance wire itself in place, or something else that's in contact with the juice. These guys often ship these in international parcel shipping direct to consumer. That means a lot of shocks and they want to make sure the disposable works when whoever they sold it to(and who clicked "why of course I'm 18) so they don't have to deal with returns. Non disposable vapes do not have solder points in any part of tank or atomizer because they're generally assembled with o rings and threads. These are not.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I'd be pretty surprised to see lead solder used in these applications, lead free is the defacto standard and has been for a long time. Not in vapes but any consumer electronics device.

    More than likely it's the mesh coils used having some lead present.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    People want to ingest a harmful drug and not see that as a threat to their health?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Nicotine isn't really harmful, aside from the rediculously addictive nature it's what a vasoconstrictor?

    Much like caffeine it has some decent properties for focus / cognitive abilities.

    The main downfall is how it's consumed by the majority of the population. Durries are overall awful. The stench, accidental burns and all the inhaling burning plant matter leading to cancer thing.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Nicotine can be bad for your cardiovascular health. It can lead to hardening of arteries over time. Vasoconstrictive effects of nicotine are also really bad for oral health and can encourage development of gingivitis/gum disease, a reminder that loss of gums can be permanent. I vape, been trying to quit, been on and off. It's an insidious habit to kick. I won't discount that it can be good for focus tho, lol.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Nicotine isn’t really harmful,

    lol #1

    Much like caffeine it has some decent properties for focus / cognitive abilities.

    lol #2

    lobby harder.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Hard to argue with a solid argument such as "lol." You really showed them who's right.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    lol #3

    (It was such a stupid statement, one doesn't need to).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah it's totally because everything is "stupid" and not the fact that you have no argument outside of superficial fearmongering which falls apart under the slightest scrutiny. It's so stupid that you keep replying with nonsense talking about how anyone else's statements are unworthy of replying to 🙄

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Do these threats exist in the exhaled smoke? It seems like people around me don't GAF about the exhaust from vapes.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    You can smell the fucking cotton candy if a guy in a car vapes in front of you.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    But omg didn't he look oh so cool blowing out that massive puff of white toxins from his mouth and nose?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    If you’re blowing clouds like that you’re not using the disposable vapes the article talks about. You’re using sub-ohm coils and a larger rig capable of heating coils designed for the task of making big clouds. You’re also using a liquid with a relatively low concentration of freebase nicotine.

    Disposables vapes use higher concentrations of nicotine in a salt form rather than freebase, and much smaller quantities of liquid per puff, to deliver a hit that feels more like a cigarette.

    Back when I vaped I made my own coils, though eventually I moved on to temperature-controlled ones, which require a purity of metal not found in the cheap-ass nic-salt disposables.

    The toxicity is from the coils in the disposables, not from the eliquid and not from rigs.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The article clearly states that some of the toxics were in the e-liquid.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    The toxicity is from the coils in the disposables, not from the eliquid and not from rigs.

    Lemmy, where the real knowledge they don't want you know know is, not facebook/conspiracy anymore, but this shit right here.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Those people are jackasses and should be shamed. I quit a 6 year cigarette smoking habit with just one year of using an actual vape, not these shitty gas station things. One of the best decisions I've made in my life. The potential for smoking cessation is there. But stupid and obnoxious people set the basis for stereotypes.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The amount of nicotine one gets per puff in a vape is greater than a cigarette. As cigarettes are generally being made illegal, big tobacco needs to circumvent the law (which governments usually give multiple years notice to relevant companies). Sadly, using vapes is not giving up cigarette smoking but merely moving addiction from one nicotine method to another. Teens vaping causing a life-long addiction is no different from teens smoking and doing the same.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    YOU HEARD'EM FOLKS! GO GET YOUR CIGARETTES!

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If you read the paper, it assumes a 100% absorption rate of the heavy metals emitted.

    I'm not here to defend vapes but I think that is a seriously overlooked flaw in this study. Most people don't puff a cigarette/vape and hold it in their lungs until it's completely absorbed.

    Couldn't see anything about the bioavailability of these carcinogens via lungs factored into the absorption rate either.

    Ontop of that the sample size from this study is abysmal and from the same manufacturer and there is also a declared conflict of interest.

    IMO more studies need to be done before we can conclusively determine the damage and risks of disposable vapes.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They're comparing it to cigarettes and other vapes.

    20 times more lead is still 20 times more lead.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Cigarettes have a myriad of carcinogens like toluene, benzene, formadelhyde, hexamine, napthaline and acetone

    Stating that vapes are more toxic than cigarettes over one metric is disingenuous journalism.

    I'm not disagreeing about the lead content but studies like this get picked up by journalists with the comprehension of a tomato and are then misconstrued into these fear-creating headlines for engagement.

    The adoption of vapes tremendously ate into the big tobacco profits, its an extremely effective way of getting off cigarettes. (for better or worse)

    If we instead listened to these studies and developed a similar form of nicotine replacement therapy with harm minimisation in mind under industry regulation we'd do far more for smokers, vapers and our healthcare systems than any fear mongering 'don't do it!' campaigns which time and time again do not work.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    lol these ppl didnt experience the ecig subreddit before and after podvapes and tobacco panicking, wild how vaping was made to seem like its worde than literal smoke and thousands of chemicals in your lung lol, also there are cities where breathing is smoking a pack or two a week, or worse maybe, bakersfield ca is like that, guess you can smokehella and live to old age f it

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Some of the studies on smoking I've seen were less about understanding how and why people consume tobacco and recommend alternatives, and more like echoing the old practices and beliefs of the temperance movement, which considers tobacco and alcohol as archenemies of humanity. That anytime there's someone publicly declaring they quit smoking, it's followed with praises which at times reminiscent of a tent revival.

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