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I might die... /s (blood test results) (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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Ummm, so my latest blood test came back and those are the results...

I'm on 5mg of valerate every 3 days, 25mg of cypro daily and 400mg progesterone rectally daily.
My E at trough used to be around 360 pg/ml, but I guess it creeped up.

The full results

The most important values are (table for readability):

Hormone US units EU units
Estradiol 868.7 pg/ml 3189 pmol/L
Testosterone 12.7 ng/dL 0.44 nmol/L
Progesterone 19.8 ng/ml 62.09 nmol/L
Prolactin n/a 2181 mIU/L
SHBG n/a 98.3 nmol/L
LH & FSH None None

Now...there are a couple of things happening here:

  • My E is astronomically high. This is bad for a couple of reasons. I'll increase my shot interval to every 4 days right away. This is way too fucking much.
  • My SHBG is...surprisingly normal? I was expecting it to be through the roof with such high E levels. Weird.
  • My progesterone levels dropped...a lot. They were around 176 ng/ml (560 nmol/L) last time and this is almost a tenth of that...why? I'm still taking the same dose. This is very strange.
  • My prolactin is very high...this is a bad thing. Cyproterone raises prolactin, kratom (which I also take) raises prolactin, however...this could very well indicate a prolactinoma, a benign brain tumor in my pituitary gland. It produces prolactin on its own, so it can cause this.

Honestly? I can fix my E levels. Valerate sucks ass, but changing the frequency to 4 days will help a lot, I think. But the prolactin honestly worries me...this could certainly be a tumor. And I could blame only myself...I could have easily done monotherapy, but I wanted the guarantee of zero T, from the cypro. But it may actually be causing problems now...

Idk. This isn't the end of the world, definitely. My high E levels might be why my boobs are so small, but probably not. I'm worried about the prolactin, but I'll probably live.
I'd love to hear some opinions from you all. I'll be glad for anything! Thanks for being here for me, with me. I love you all so much 🩷

Edit: The weird thing is, my boobs still definitely hurt in a sore kinda way. Or at least one does (left, as always). I think they're still growing. Despite my absurd E levels, could they still be growing? Please be patient with me, I'm kinda slow 😭

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[–] 10 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Did your doctor tell you it might be a tumor? High levels of prolactin by itself can indicate that, but given that your E levels are through the roof that could very well be causing it as well. Listen to your doctor first of course, but I would only be concerned about a tumor if it didn’t come back down after you lowered your E levels. I’ve never heard of anyone giving themselves a tumor through E, and several studies have confirmed there’s no increased cancer risk beyond the risk of breast cancer associated with having boobs.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 4 weeks ago

    No, this info isn't directly from my doctor, I just know that that's one of the symptoms of prolactinomas. Didn't know it could be the E levels, huh! Thanks for letting me know!
    I'm definitely reducing that, no question about it. I'm just risking my health with no real benefit at all.

    And I'll probably drop the cypro completely soon. It's not doing me any good and the risks are real. Not one, but two types of benign brain tumors...fun!

    Thank you, really πŸ’œ

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  • [–] 4 points 4 weeks ago*

    Yeah, the breast cancer risk associated with estrogen HRT is from the old studies of postmenopausal women over 60, and generally when they used to use Estrone which is the most common type of estrogen in postmenopausal women, before they found Estradiol when they started studying premenopausal women at all. Unfortunately, medical science for women is lacking and has always been poorly funded. That is unlikely to change in our lifetimes. Drug companies and government funding they control are concentrated on synthetic drugs that can drive high enough prices. And lingering patriarchal mentality in medicine means only men's quality of life issues usually get researched and even then only if they can newly charge a ridiculous price for an existing medication like they did with Viagra.

    So far there have been no comprehensive, controlled studies of the effect of HRT on pre- or peri-menopausal women, much less trans women. However, most reviews suggest that it's generally safe even at high levels. Women commonly experience much higher levels of Estradiol than yours during pregnancy for example, sometimes as much as exceeding 30,000 pg/mL in their third trimester according to some studies, though most say 1,000-6,000 through all but the first month or so is most common. There is also almost no research on pubescent girls and that's what we really need to understand, but generally the normal levels for an adult premenopausal cis-woman are 30-400 pg/ml depending on phase of their cycle.

    There is even less research for progestin or estriol so I won't go onto those, but limited data is out there.

    But check with your doctor to be sure, just I think jumping to conclusions is just going to affect your mental health negatively. It's statistically likely not that bad.

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    • [–] 9 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    I've already commented plenty on your other post, but I will say that my best friend (she's cis) has a prolactinoma, and it is basically ruining her life. She's back on treatment now, so it should be reducing, but it gave her all the symptoms of Borderline Personality Disorder and Bipolar Disorder in droves. She was much, much better after her first round of treatment (before it came back). Now she's considering getting brain surgery because of how bad it is. All I mean to imply here is that having such high prolactin could be causing some major psychological problems, regardless of what is causing it. I don't see the psychological effects of hyperprolactinemia discussed often enough, despite empirical evidence suggesting it.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    Jeez...I'm so sorry for her πŸ«‚
    That's absolutely horrible, wow...

    I'm still holding onto hope that it's just my E levels, but if turns out to be a prolactinoma...well, starting HRT was well worth it. At least to me :D

    I'll get it checked. Tysm πŸ’œ

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  • [–] 6 points 4 weeks ago

    I hope my concern is unnecessary, and I don't mean to imply that you might have a prolactinoma (despite it being a technical possibility), I moreso just wanted to let you know that high prolactin can have lots of negative effects. Speaking of which, I probably should get my prolactin levels checked next time I get bloodwork. I've been off CPA for over a year, but given that I just started progesterone a few months ago, it's worth checking.

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    • [–] 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    Oh god, 25mg cypro daily is a fuck ton... Cypro was never intended for long-term use, especially at dosages like that. Not a doctor but please lower cypro to at least 12.5mg daily, if not every other day.

    I know it sucks seeing slow results but transitioning isn't a race. Take less, do blood samples and if it's wrong then adjust accordingly. Cypro like that long-term can get you killed

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    • [–] 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

    You're injecting and taking an anti-androgen? You should be able to just do monotherapy.

    I was doing 5mg of valerate every 7 days, I got my blood drawn about 2 and a half days after my injection and was at 489 pg/ml for estradiol and 1.1 pg/ml testosterone. My provider actually recommended I step my dose down slightly.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    I know about mono.

    Wait, you got your blood draw halfway? I'm sorry, but you're really not supposed to do that. It doesn't really give you any useful information. What you want to be doing is checking your trough, your lowest level, always.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago

    I'm just following the instructions my doctor gave me. I already went a month without progesterone because she refused to send a refill before my results came back. Wasn't testing for progesterone levels. Not to mention whatever issue happened where they struggled to change pharmacies so I had to keep calling to tell them to move it.

    I should probably see about getting more comprehensive blood work done, actually.

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    • [–] 5 points 4 weeks ago*

    Idk why you were ever taking so much cypro. Stop it. 5mg valerate every 3 days seems like a lot too. You cant OD yourself into a faster transition Miisha <3.

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    [–] 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    So, say one was a vampire and drank your blood. Would they become a girl?

    Just a silly hypothetical question haha

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    • [–] 3 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    Why the Kratom? Don't want to criticise you, but always heard its pretty addictive for not all that crazy effects.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    It "helps" (for now, anyway) with my dysphoria, depression, generally shitty mood, it makes me productive and actual be able to do stuff and be interested in things.
    You totally should judge me for it, it's bad.

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    • [–] 3 points 4 weeks ago

    Zero T is not a good goal. I know of a trans woman who actually had zero or near zero T and it was bad. I think she became unable to sleep and had many other problems. You do actually need some baseline amount of T in order to function as a person.

    I have only heard of valerate done as monotherapy, adding cypro without cause sounds unwise.

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    [–] 3 points 4 weeks ago* (3 children)

    I'd recommend talking to a doctor if you can about the tumor thing.

    Also, is that prolactin result from the first shot? Whenever a blood test includes prolactin, they always have me sit and wait around for like 20 minutes (with the needle in and capped off), allegedly because prolactin levels increase with stress (getting stabbed with a needle) and that can cause false readings.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    I don't know what you mean by first shot, but this definitely wasn't my first injection (it's been like 6 months on injectables). My prolactin has always been normal, even when taking even more insane doses of cypro (50mg daily), it used to be around 500-600, now it's nearly 3000.
    I know stress can cause it, also poor sleep and having sex. I...kinda have all of those, lol.
    Either way, it's not something to be treated lightly and I'm gonna drop cypro entirely.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    By "first shot" I mean when you go get your blood tested. If you only take the reading from the same sample as everything else, it can show up higher than it normally is. From my latest test (pills, sublingual, spiro (fuck I hate Spiro)):

    Hormone Reading
    Prolactin 76.40 ng/ml
    Prolactin (20 min.) 64.10 ng/ml

    Cypro gave me bomb-ass results while I was taking it (with oral pills), but yeah, those are concerning numbers.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 weeks ago

    No, my endo only draws my blood once. You're right that that would have an effect on the result, the first will definitely be higher.

    Cypro gave me bomb-ass results while I was taking it (with oral pills), but yeah, those are concerning numbers.

    Yep. I'm taking care of it.

    Side note, but...there's another unit used for prolactin? Jesus fucking christ, give me a break. Can't we all agree on something once? 😭

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    • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago

    AAAAAAAAHHH! Oh, god.

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    [–] 22 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    Girled too close to the sun lol, be careful!

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    • [–] 16 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (12 children)

    While I'm not the first to say it, I want to make sure you know that estrogen levels this high can cause major psychological issues (mood swings being a prime example) and greatly increase your risk for breast cancer and other complications*. My levels on monotherapy are 135pg/mL at trough with Estradiol Cypionate. This is far past supraphysiological, and could actually be hindering your development in your transition. More estrogen does not equal faster development. It can actually be a hindrance if it's too high, let alone the plethora of health issues if you stay at that dose for a long time. Since you didn't specify what ester you're taking, I'm especially concerned, because this would be even more dangerous if you were taking Estradiol Valerate, due to the short half-life (meaning your peak could be over double this)

    * EDIT: This was based on data gathered before current regulated bioidentical estradiol was in regular use, and is no longer correct. New data shows regulated bioidentical estradiol-only HRT does not significantly change the risk of breast cancer. The same study does, however, provide that there is an increased risk in those receiving combination estradiol and progesterone therapy, though it identified progestins as the problem, not estradiol.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 4 weeks ago (8 children)

    Not to sound like an LLM, but you're absolutely right. This is far beyond "high" E levels and it's way too much. I know the risks, especially the breast cancer and the mental effects (negative). I'll be changing my dose.
    I actually am on valerate, which is why this is scary. I take 5mg every 3 days, so I'm gonna try changing to every 4 days. Valerate is a bitch, honestly and I should just DIY enanthate at this point. If my bf wasn't such an asshole about it...

    I definitely know that more E != better development. These levels aren't by choice, I had levels around 110pg/ml at every 4 days, so I decided to up it. It was working fine, at around 360pg/ml, which is still high, but it seems to have creeped up. I'll change my dosage.

    Thanks for the detailed response 🩷

    I'm not 100% on this, can high levels really hinder progress? Cause my SHBG is still normal, which I thought was the biggest problem with ultrahigh levels.
    So...is that why I'm so flat? 😭 /s

    Really, thank you 🩷. You seem to know quite a bit. I'm not completely in the dark, but I don't have all the answers and I don't claim (I hope!) to have them. Thanks!

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  • [–] 12 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    5mg Valerate every 3 days is a lot. I know the half-life sucks, I actually get incredibly bad mood swings on it, which is why I DIY Cypionate despite having a Valerate prescription. My insurance doesn't cover Cypionate, and I need letters from my HRT doc for surgery, so I just pretend I'm taking the Valerate I'm filling every month. This is so concerningly high, that honestly I'd cut it down to 3mg every 5 days (please note than I am not a doctor, but I based my recommendation on the tool I used to dose myself on DIY, and you can see both dosages compared here, just keep in mind that >800pg/mL at trough suggests your body retains significantly more estradiol than expected, so these are likely gross underestimates). You seem to be at the extreme for absorption, far higher than is typically expected at your current dose. Please do remember that it can take a couple months for hormone levels to stabilize, which may be why your last dose seemed lower than expected (though 300pg/mL is still exceptionally high for an EV trough). Give it at least 3 months from a dosage change until you get labs done to ensure they have stabilized.

    And yes, when looking at cis girls, high estradiol can actually stunt their growth and development. SHBG is often an indicator for that, but there isn't a significant amount of research on this topic, so it's up in the air. I tend to exercise extreme caution, however, and have minimized my dosage of Estradiol Cypionate. There is at least some evidence that super high dose estradiol early on HRT treatment can cause stunted growth of breasts (halting in Tanner stage 4 and lower final breast size), but it's not clear if that applies to high dose estradiol after awhile on HRT. The real answer is "we need more research to form a conclusive answer." However, I will say that breast development continues after year 3, as was evidenced in a recent study (I believe in The Netherlands?), and the only reason that 3 year mark was provided is because that's when previous testing stopped in practically every study beforehand. The researchers simply didn't extend the data beyond 3 years. You can experience significant breast growth at any point during HRT. We sometimes see development into a cisgender woman's 20s, so it can take many years, as breast development in trans women is very similar.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    First of all, thanks so much for the detailed response (again) 🩷

    I know 5mg every 3 days sounds insane, but I am actually going off of real blood tests, always. My body does weird stuff with valerate, so my dose has been adjusted a couple of times already.

    I can't speak for the breast growth stunting, but this is some good info. I think they're growing, but tbh? I think I would end up flat anyway, no matter what I did. I'm kinda over it, so I'll just focus on not brutally overdosing myself with estrogen and I think I'll be good.

    There's just so little research...into women's health in general, but with trans women, it's even worse and it sucks, cause it's actually a fairly interesting subject.

    Really, thanks for your replies. It might seem like I'm just a bumbling idiot who doesn't know what they're doing (I totally am), but I promise I'm not that incompetent. Thank you so much for your concern and also for the great information ❀️

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  • [–] 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    Of course! Always looking to help!

    I'm going to deviate from the empirical now, because I realize that some of my opinions may or may not be helpful in your context. First,and funnily enough this one is empirical, plenty of trans women have perfectly normal transitions on just oral estradiol, which we know results in far lower serum estradiol levels, so I'd be cautious of trusting the 300-500pg/mL that was thrown out there by someone else as being "the most effective." As we agreed earlier, more E =/= better development. With this in mind, I'm going to walk you through how I landed on my dose.

    I have severe bipolar disorder and borderline personality disorder, and I've found that extremely high dose estradiol made my symptoms significantly worse. Given that a common symptom of estradiol is mood swings, that didn't come at a surprise for me. I'd met and talked with many trans women who did oral, and they were overall very happy with their transition development. So what I decided to do, for the sake of my own sanity, was lower my estradiol dose as much as I could while maintaining testosterone suppression. If you read around, you may find sources citing ~300pg/mL as the ideal for monotherapy. Well, at trough, I sit at 135pg/mL and don't need an anti-androgen. And now that I covered it from the some ~300pg/mL I had before, I'm doing much better mentally. That's been my personal experience, and I don't mean to imply it will work well for you, just putting it out there.

    Now if you wanna get into empirical evidence, this meta analysis is an excellent source to draw from. It goes over recommended ranges, including WPATH's recommended range of 100-200pg/mL (which honestly I think is too narrow, but at 200pg/mL, average testosterone suppression is about 90%, which is high enough to be below 50ng/dL of testosterone). I've linked specifically to the section on injectable estradiol, but you can scroll up for lots more info. It covers what all our best research points to.

    Additionally, I don't buy into the "progesterone too early stunts growth" stuff, as the only study on that was done on rabbits, and they used extreme, supraphysiological levels. I believe that confirmation bias has fed the rest of the rumor. Out of an abundance of caution though, I did start my progesterone 16 months into HRT. I don't expect that to matter, though.

    I'd focus on getting your estradiol levels down fast, however. That high of a dosage can (and evidenced by my bipolar/borderline ass *will) cause significant psychological effects. Everything is your choice, of course, it just worries me seeing a reading that high.

    Best of luck however you move forward <3

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 4 weeks ago

    You're so nice, omfg 😭
    Tysm! 🩷

    You mention BPD/bipolar...well, I'm starting to think I might be similar. Not as bad, but...well, not great. And my E levels definitely have at least some effect on that.

    I think 300-500pg/ml is high as well, but I just wanna say something...
    This is not to criticize or make fun of anyone, but I've had a certain experience. I'm part of a Discord server of trans people, mostly women. They're a bit...conservative with the recommended E levels. To each their own, but they say stuff like "200pg/ml is already too high" and "100pg/ml is enough for monotherapy" and they're really adamant about it, lashing out at people who speak against that quite harshly. They also keep insisting prog does absolutely nothing. To be honest, I'm not a fan of that place, but to each their own. And this is a complete side-tangent, so probably ignore this.

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't buy "prog too early". I know the study was done on rabbits with extremely high levels and also, if I'm not mistaken, they used progestins instead of actual progesterone? Not completely certain tho.

    I'm getting my levels down ASAP. It might just be why I've been feeling the way I have lately. I actually had no idea my levels were that high...jeez. This really is way too much...

    Thanks for your concern! Thanks so much for the pointers, this is great info. Transfem Science is honestly great.
    I'll do the best I can and good luck to you too! πŸ’œ

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  • [–] 3 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    IIRC you want to be looking for 300-500 for best results, keep your trough over 300 without elevating your SHBG, at Tanner 4 you can add progesterone.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    Thanks, but...
    I know just about where my levels should be and I know this is NOT it, lol.

    I've mentioned this many times, and this is just my opinion, you don't have to agree with me, but I don't believe in waiting until a certain Tanner stage before adding prog. I've been on it since month 3 of HRT and I'm doing fine. I joke about being flat all the time, but I'm actually quite happy.
    You do you tho! This is just my opinion, you're absolutely entitled to your own!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    greatly increase your risk for breast cancer and other complications

    This is FUD.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    It's not. That's been empirically tested. Breast cancer (among other hormome-influenced cancers) risk is increased with supraphysiological serum estradiol. Don't believe me? Here's an article from The Breast Cancer Foundation.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago

    Sorry, but I'm not going to give any source that doesn't even attempt to distinguish between premarin and modern forms of HRT much credence. If it doesn't even mention it, it's not a serious source.

    We're now seeing a resurgence in post-menopausal cis women on HRT. The fears about breast cancer are largely outdated and based on decades-old studies using premarin, an estrogen that hasn't been used in decades. The FDA recently changed how it labels estrogen to better reflect modern medical science.

    Obviously if you happen to get an estrogen-sensitive breast cancer, higher E levels will increase the risk. But can you show me any studies using modern bio-identical HRT that show a higher rate of developing cancer with higher blood E levels? Can you link to a single study? Not a website, but an actual study?

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    • [–] 12 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

    estrogen level seems rlly high (like, 7x my levels), if I recall right having that much can hinder your progress and cause other issues

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

    Not sure about hindering progress, but this is bad. I'm gonna try changing the interval from 3 to 4 days.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

    what kind do you use?

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    Valerate, since it's the only ester I can get officially πŸ˜”
    I really should DIY, but my bf is very vocal about not supporting that decision

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  • [–] 4 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'd push to 5 days/cycle then for sure

    thankfully there is no shortage of estrogen in that medication lmao. idk why there would be any issue with doing diy, its the same stuff the doctors doing but you monitor your blood levels instead. but its a moot point since you aren't being underdosed at least

    i just use (well, usually use, thats another story :/) patches and Spiro cus that's easiest for my goober ass brain

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    I really wanna try 4 days first, to see how that goes. Valerate is finicky and jumping by 2 days at a time might be too much. I'll definitely lower my dosage tho.

    Patches are good! The ones in my country suck ass tho, lol. And I'm a big fan of injections, so that's what I use.

    Thank you Nikki 🩷
    You're amazing!

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    • [–] 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    Wow, probably time to adjust your dose...

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    • [–] 4 points 4 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Girl, save some for the rest of us! 😭 (stay safe, though!)

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    • [–] 3 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    Those e levels are bad and will straight up hinder the effects of HRT. Also, if you can get levels that high, you don't need an anti-androgen

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    [CITATION NEEDED.]

    Don't confuse T and E. Excess T gets converted to E. There is no reverse mechanism.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    the reasoning i've heard has nothing to do with conversion to T, but that excessively high E levels will cause your body to attempt to get rid of the excess sex hormones by ramping up SHBG production, and if this reaction is strong enough you end up with less free estradiol than if you were taking a smaller dose. that said, this is just something i've overheard from other transfems, i don't know if this is backed up by research, nor what E levels would be necessary to achieve that.

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    • [–] 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (8 children)

    I spiked mine this high for six months and spurred the girls to grow again. I don't think there is a benefit to keeping your levels this high permanently though.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

    Of course not! This wasn't my plan, I honestly had no idea. I'm lowering my dose, this is way too much estradiol. Boobs hurt tho 😭

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago (6 children)

    Well, I hope the boob hurt leads to boob grow.πŸ€— How long was it this high?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 weeks ago (5 children)

    Here's hoping!
    No idea honestly, but I've been on 5mg/3days for a while now and my last blood test (almost 3 months ago now) showed around a 360pg/ml trough.
    So...quite a while, I think.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

    If you do get some growth out of it, send me a DM or reply to this post. I'm curious if anyone else has the success I did. After 4 years, having plateaued, I gained 2 cups.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    If you do get some growth out of it, send me a DM

    This seems like a really clever way of asking for boob pictures, lol /s

    That's actually really interesting. 2 cup sizes? Really??? Wow...
    I mean, that could have just been some late growth, but that would be an insane coincidence. Also, after 4 years, I'm not so sure...
    Either way, congrats on the 2 cups!

    I think I'm growing. But I think I have been growing this whole time, I'm only 8 months in. I try to maintain a timeline, so you can kinda see the progress. Still, weird...

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    Lol, yes, I need them... For Transcience!

    I now see now you're early in the process though. I don't think it would be helpful data this early anyway.

    I went from a C that had been stable for a year to DDs. I'm pretty certain it was the E spike. They were stable and seemed to be satisfied with all they had wrought upon the world.

    But you never know, boobs can do whatever they want at any time. And, I know very few cis women who stopped growing completely and forever by 20.

    I think you're doing great for 8 months. A lot of groundwork has to be laid underneath before the fat can move in. Don't forget to eat and eat! Boobs come from sugar and fat and everything delicious!

    What's still weird? Having boobs?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    I don’t think it would be helpful data this early anyway

    Awwww, I was taking my shirt off πŸ₯Ί /s

    I went from a C that had been stable for a year to DDs

    Girl, WHAT
    That's insane, in the best way possible. Holy fuck...
    Genuinely really happy for you 🩷
    Your back must hurt...

    Don’t forget to eat and eat! Boobs come from sugar and fat and everything delicious!

    Don't tempt me, sugar and fat is basically my entire diet 😭 /s
    Really should eat more tho...

    What’s still weird? Having boobs?

    No, having boobs is the best, lol
    What I meant is, I thought I'd feel...idk, worse when having such astronomically high E levels. I thought it would be more obvious with more symptoms, you know?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago

    Awwww, I was taking my shirt off πŸ₯Ί /s

    I can't be drooling in the lab! Think of the beakers! The bunsens! The breasts!
    Wait
    πŸ‘€
    Stop distracting me

    Your back must hurt...

    Ty ty. Back is ok. I exercise so I'm hoping I can keep it that way for a while. I did the E spike and that pushed me forward for sure. I do breathing exercises and chest exercises too, which I'm certain help (I'm really too old to be developing like this), but all those things did was trigger my natural genetics. All the women on my dad's side are silly-big.

    Really should eat more tho...

    Fat cycle and exercise. Even if you never want to touch your top... musculatureπŸ‘€, do your bunsens butt!

    Your butt and thighs are your biggest muscles, and and and they're girl coded! Do exercises for them. Work them till you are out of breath, twice a week, and that alone will increase the blood and nutrient flow to your boobs. It will surge your growth hormones too. It's nothing but good. Butt good!

    No, having boobs is the best, lol
    What I meant is, I thought I'd feel...idk, worse when having such astronomically high E levels. I thought it would be more obvious with more symptoms, you know?

    Boobs are the best!
    High E was no problem for me either. I had the occasional hot flash, but I was otherwise fine. The girls started aching and my nipples changed again and I put on fat, but there were no realy negative symptoms. I'll be trying it again soon since it's been over a year.

    In pregnancy, levels can shoot up to tens of thousands. I think E is just easy on the body. The effects it triggers might not be, but the E itself is.

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    • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago

    Girl, be careful.

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