Finally it seems the end of Reddit is near.

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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

Makes sense. How do they know your a male looking for hetero pic unless you send them your penis to prove it.

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  • [+] 361 points 1 year ago (32 children)
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  • [–] 98 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Under the new UK law, lemmynsfw would also need to have some kind of age verification for UK users.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Real talk - or what? If LemmyNSFW isn't based in the UK, what can they do?

    Block it? I'd rather have that than deal with processing users face data.

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  • [+] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    Well as a Lemmy admin I'll see if they seriously enforce this on international sites. If not, I won't worry about it. If so, the UK gets blocked. 🤷🤷🤷

    I doubt they'll be going after niche sites anyway. Big dogs like reddit, sure. Sites dedicated to porn probably. Everyone else? Doubt it.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Even though LemmyNSFW is outside of the UK the admins of any instance will be responsible for verification of UK users because of this law. This is why .zip (Lemmy and PieFed) have geoblocked the UK. It’s a lot of work and responsibility to take on.

    Here’s the post from Demigodrick explaining this situation better than I can.

    Important News - Geoblocking of the UK

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I believe if the UK finds a site that doesn't comply with the law, they will block it from their side of things. I haven't read anything about websites needing to be proactive to block the UK if they don't plan to comply.

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  • [–] 126 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    This. Can't believe we're seeing "lol Reddit sucks" when this is a country-wide implementation and has nothing to do with Reddit in particular.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is why many adult sites are banning access if your IP is from TN or any of the other american states that love jesus more than freedom.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Just curious, how would this happen in practice? As I understand lemmy instances are defederated across the globe. Who would they send their demands to? Also there is already some nsfw content in lemmy, are those expected to respond now in some way?

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  • [+] 161 points 1 year ago (7 children)
  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    These assholes are all pedophiles and they use it to control the planet. To get to high levels of government, you must enter the shadow contract of pedophilia. It is easy to control people and trust people with that kind of shadow on them, so it is required.

    Then they turn around and use pedophilia to control everyone else. Any tech that threatens their power, they can immediately shutdown by pedo-bombing it. The counter to pedobombing is authoritarian moderation. Once you have that, it is over. The government they control now can control the mods, and that means they control the narrative. THAT is one of the core enemies to fight. An alternative to Reddit or any other system is not enough.

    Because pedophilia is such a taboo / social death sentence, it is among the most powerful shadow contracts.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Those that have entered into the shadow contract. A shadow contract is one of few mechanisms to enter large-scale consensus (it isn't THAT large when compared to a solar or galactic scale, but large enough for planetary control, and with some clever management, can scale larger).

    Consensus requires untrusted sovereigns agreeing to collective action. It is a very difficult mechanism to operate. One way is by having a crime so heinous, the mass population block would eviscerate you if it came to light.

    Pedophilia is king among these shadow cornerstones. It illustrates a total lack of empathy, no protective nature towards the innocent, no concern for the perceptions of society, high intellect / manipulation abilities, and a willingness to do anything. You can say it is the "panther" among the shadows.

    So most leadership is among that tribe, which is why they are the way they are. It is only logical.

    There are other tribes as well. Use your imagination and the answers will follow.

    Funny thing, Reddit did that "circle" event many years ago. How big did anyone's circle get? That is an example of what I am explaining. It is nearly game theoretically impossible to have large scale consensus without some mechanism to make sure people are on the same page.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    A shadow contract is one of few mechanisms to enter large-scale consensus (it isn't THAT large when compared to a solar or galactic scale, but large enough for planetary control, and with some clever management, can scale larger).

    You don't know that, I've seen shadow contracts that apply to intergalactic scales. I would wager they can be used for interdimensional organisations

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  • [–] 119 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    This is a combination of terrible legislation in the UK meets awful social media site.

    The Online Safety Act is an abomination, compromising the privacy and freedom of the vast majority of the UK in the name of "protecting children".

    I'm of the view parents are responsible for protecting their children. I know it's hard but the Online Safety Act is not a solution.

    All it will.do is compromise the privacy and security of law abiding adults while kids will still access porn and all the other really bad stuff on the Internet will actually be unaffected. The dark illegal shit on the Internet is not happening on Pornhub or Reddit.

    The UK is gradually sliding further and further into censorship, and authoritarianism and all the in the name of do gooders. It's scary to watch.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    The solution to all of this “think of the children” stuff is that devices owned/used by children should have to be registered as a child’s device, which would enable certain content blockers.

    Forcing adults to verify their identity, rather than simply activating some broad based restrictions on devices being purchased for child use, is a waste of time. Kids will still find workarounds. Adult privacy will be compromised.

    Its also an easily enforceable policy to require registration of children’s devices. You can hold the parents to compliance. You can hold the carriers to compliance. Its truly the simplest way to keep kids from accessing porn without having to mess with adult use of the internet whatsoever

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The solution to all of this “think of the children” stuff is that devices owned/used by children should have to be registered as a child’s device, which would enable certain content blockers.

    That's kinda the case right now already, but the problem is that adult-only sites don't work with that currently.

    So the right solution would be to mandate that e.g. all sites are required to return a header with an age recommendation or something similar, so that a device set to child-mode then can block all these sites. And if a site doesn't set the header, it will also get blocked on child-mode devices

    Wouldn't be too hard to do, and accidental overblocking would only occur on child-mode devices, so there's not much of a loss there.

    Legislation could then be focussed on mandating that these headers aren't falsely set (e.g. a porn site setting the header to child-friendly).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Allow listing sounds like the better solution. Ie the device had a list of remotes approved by the parents.

    That way there's no need to police every website in the world in perpetuity.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Listing already exists, but in practice it's quite impractical, mainly because it's either not granular enough or too granular.

    If the listing feature allows me to allow/deny on a domain basis, then allowing Wikipedia for example would mean that I'd also allow all the non-child-friendly content on there too. Like the literal full-length porn videos or the photographies of genital torture that are on there. And if I block all of Wikipedia, I also block all of the hundreds of thousands of informative and totally child-acceptable pages on there.

    If, on the other hand, I allow/deny on a per-page basis, then using the internet becomes nigh unmanageable, because each click of my kid requires me to allow/deny the next page. It's not that often when using the internet that you access the same exact url every day without clicking to sub-pages.

    A header would solve that issue. That way I could e.g. allow all Wikipedia articles that are rated for ages 6 and that's ok. The rating should of course be like for movies, so that it doesn't mean that a child would understand the articles, but that there's nothing child-endangering in there like the videos and images (and accompanying texts) mentioned above.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Or just block wikipedia and use one of the many encyclopedia websites designed for kids instead (1), (2). This has the benefit of having your goals met, without making the world a worse place for everyone else.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    How does sending a header with extra information make the world a worse place for everyone else?

    It still requires arbitration of every digitally communicated thought, whether it's age appropriate and to what degree. It's mass thought policing, as well as trying to enforce a cookiecutter morality on every person.

    I get the desire to enforce thoughts on someone else. But fight it, please. At least let people be free in their own mind.

    Especially since the tools to achieve your stated goal, protection of your child(ren), are already available. So you can perform your censorship desire in the confinement of your family bubble. No need for collateral damage.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Waauw, you really are unsympathetic.

    Have you ever looked at how age rating systems work?

    Good example: they are already used for example to censor the idea of non-heterosexual relationships (1). Don't let them expand it, or give them even more tools, please.

    Your stated goals already are achievable with existing tools.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't think this is a good idea...

    This is even more invasive - it would mean all the traffic and activity in every device would be traceable to a registration. Whereas now they might have a pretty good lock on individual device ids, they'd then have an actual registry of devices and owners to verify it against

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A simple toggle, secured with a password would do it. Child's device Y/N. If no, proceed. Your browser or whatever app you're using would only need to see that one setting, and it's not much different than your browser looking at any number of settings on your device.

    Shit with TWO toggles, the other being "is this child under the age of 13?" You could even force sites like YouTube actually to comply with federal law about targeting minors with advertising.

    But. These laws aren't actually about protecting children, they're about establishing a real identity for every person online.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    A simple toggle, secured with a password would do it.

    Yea, that's the thing - I don't think it would 'do' it for legislators. Like you mentioned - it's not really about protecting children, but also the only way to enforce a law like this would be to log or register devices to specific people or children. This would essentially just shift the point of verification from the individual website to the point of sale of the phone or tablet. Verifying the age is the part that necessitates identification - the only thing a hardware-locked strategy does is centralizes that verification to a governing body instead of individual websites, but it still associates individuals with specific devices.

    I get why this might seem preferable, but the problem of online privacy still persists.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Your solution is worse.

    As is, it is the responsibility of the content provider to make sure that they are distributing only to people who are legally allowed to have it.

    With age-verification the user has to prove that they are allowed to access the content, then the site can distribute it to them.

    Your approach is to distribute the content by default and only deny it to ChildDevices. In order for this to work at all, you have to mandate that children can only use ChildDevices. This is soooo much worse than simply requiring that adults who want to see certain content have to prove that they can legally access it. If adults have reservations about providing ID for pornography, the loss of such content seems to be much less than denying children Internet access. (Although, I'm sure that Lemmings would disagree for obvious reasons).

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The arguments that I’ve seen against that is that the problem is the hardware. The child can figure out/find a hack to circumvent the restrictions. A determined 11/12 year old could do it. They’re the ones who still need restriction.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So what you're telling me is you don't think an 11/13/14 yo could use an LLM to age up a selfie to gain access to subreddits they shouldn't be accessing (legally or morally). But you do think that same age group of children is going to gain root access to a device in order to flash some software to circumvent a device specific toggle limiting their device by hard coding it as a child's device.

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  • [–] 105 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Next in the news: "500k Usernames, Passwords and biometric data leaked in the latest hack"

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  • Yeah, I will definitely trust an internet stranger with my face so they can verify that I'm not underage to access content which could, in case of being leaked, damage my reputation or even destroy my life.

    DEFINITELY

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Yeah, fuck all that.

    Guess we're transitioning into a VPN only future.

    We have the opportunity to head into a utopic or dystopic future and we're absolutely choosing the dystopic one.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    They'll criminalize personal VPN users for non-work purposes, next.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Work VPN doesn't look any different to any other VPN to the people tapping the lines.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't think we ever really had a choice

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    Indeed. With our current system it was only a matter of time. As soon as the internet became a default thing which everyone needed to access just to function in their daily lives, it would of course be subjected to the exact same exploitative mechanisms that the non-internet part of our lives have suffered from since the dawn of history.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A VPN future? Haha. Not if they don't want to. There are many ways to prevent VPN from operating when you're a government.

    You can just plain ban encryption, which sounds really crazy, but yeah, they're trying to.

    You can just say "it's illegal to use a VPN". It'll technically still work, but if there's a trace of trafic from your house to a known VPN endpoint, you're it! Great!

    They can force custom proprietary spying software on your devices. Sounds equally crazy as the thing above, right? But rest assured they're ALSO trying to do that. Multiple times, even. And in some places… they did. Of course, nothing forces you to have such software on your device. Especially if your devices are not supported; it also turns into a "you have to buy this or that big name device, everything else's de-facto illegal! Fuck you, we're the government!". And if you get caught for whatever, and your phone, PC, or anything isn't "compliant"? Bam. Guilty.

    Plenty of option. All of them completely stupid and would weaken both privacy, individuals, and governments at large. It never stopped legislation from being pushed forward.

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