People ITT not getting that women might be fine with the risk of some people they might already know seeing whats beneath their skirts for a moment during a pretty fast amusement ride, but wouldnt consent to getting filmed during this and uploaded to the internet for creeps to watch and nudify.
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Maybe read the article. Its about men trying to film under womens skirts/dresses, uploading it for other men to goon and also using AI to alter the videos for further sexualization like removing clothing. Nobody deserves this, no matter how one dresses. The other reply is correct. This is victim blaming.
Did you read the article because it seems like you didn't and how am I victim blaming I am calling out something that is common sense for the situation.
The issue is recording someone without consent and posting it on the internet for profit, not what the women are wearing. You saying they should have worn something else is blaming the victim for the act of the person that did the actual thing that is wrong. Again, classic victim blaming. And before you say "They should have known that is what the ride does," yes, hopefully they knew that and consented to riding it with that information. That is still not consent to be recorded without their knowledge and have it be posted on the internet.
It seems like you are gaslighting
No, I'm not, and using therapy speak (even incorrectly) to try to deflect is pretty shitty. You are clearly not going to understand, and at this point it seems willful. I'm done repeating myself
No I understand you 100% do not
Ah, the classic grade school, "Nuh-uh, you." Good one to try after all else fails. How about this for clarity: This is my last response to you because you seem to be willfully obtuse. Judging by the use of therapy speak and viewpoint that it is the people wearing skirts at fault, I'd also guess you are not a safe person to be around. Please do better in the future, but I am done with you.
Wow, classic victim blaming. How embarrassing for you
How would I be victim blaming im just calling out something that is obvious for the situation.
Because they did not do the thing that is wrong. The person who filmed them did. Blame that person for doing the harm, not the people who did nothing wrong. Saying they should be wearing shorts takes the focus off the perpetrator and puts the burden on the victim. Hence, victim blaming
Read white rabbits comment it makes more sense than what you are saying.
They are saying the same thing you are but with less relevance since it has nothing to do with the issue at hand: people taking non-consensual photos and videos of people's underwear at a festival and then selling them on on the internet, again without consent.
Yeah because walking around in public women should always expect men to stick cameras under their skirts, right. I mean, some cultures don't even allow or at least discourage women wearing pants. What are those women supposed to do? I guess just being a woman in public means you should expect sexual assault, right? Stay at home if you don't want men to film up your skirt, right?
You do realize in some cultures or at least in the 1800s and before women did not wear any underwear or wore something that was like a pathetic excuse for underwear, right. And it seems like you didn't read the story being talked about here at all.
I think you are the one who didn't read the article. The ride was only mentioned in the beginning as the thing that started the cycling shorts use trend.
It goes on to describe how widespread the practice of upskirting is at Oktoberfest in general, and how many workers are having to wear them to avoid being filmed and how patrons are concerned the law doesn't protect sharing film of the wind picking up a skirt and briefly revealing something.
And you got my point exactly. Why are we blamed for people taking upskirt pictures of our underwear or bare bottoms. Just because our skirt wasn't down to our ankles and so tight around our legs we could barely walk or we wore sexy underwear, doesn't mean we were to blame for tempting them as is often the excuse in cultures that don't strictly criminalize and enforce punishment of the practice.
No you didn't read the article because the women should have known what the ride they were getting on would have caused upskirts.
Doesn't matter if it causes skirts to fly up. The issue is the people filming it and putting it online for others to jerk off to. Fuck that and you for victim blaming. And it only takes seconds to scroll to the part about the other non-ride related victims like the waitresses. And I'm blocking you as a pervert for suggesting the victims are to blame, so I won't see any further replies.
I agree it seems like common sense. Going on a ride that makes your skirt fly up is an informed decision. There are days when my SO goes out in a dress and she puts short shorts underneath just in case. You never know when there might be a rogue breeze. That’s just common sense.
As for why this is necessary at Oktoberfest specifically:
The Teufelsrad is one of the oldest attractions at the Oktoberfest, the annual beer festival which comes to an end this weekend after 16 days. Its circular platform rotates faster and faster until its riders fall off, and the motion and speed often make skirts fly up.
Sounds like a very reasonable "fix", equating filming people spinning on a table to upskirting a waitress serving someone is a bit weird
it sounds like some people film this intentionally to upskirt
thousands of voyeuristic videos emerged on social media.
Some videos showing women on the Teufelsrad, or Devil's Wheel, have been viewed millions of times. One is said to have made thousands of euros for a woman who posted it online.
Like those creepy bull riding machines where they say you can get a free drink if you last 90 seconds, and then the operator spends that whole time trying to make their tops fall down and skirts ride up, before flinging them off with three seconds left. I suspect "spinning ride which lifts women's skirts" is probably at least part of the point.
While I do agree, there's apparently a certain breed of 'content creators' that specifically film and upload women at the Oktoberfest, explicitly for sexualization.
Yes, there are public places where people commonly become undressed like the beach or the Teufelsrad. But no, you should not just film strangers und upload them for monetary gain.
Still it's not exactly upskirting filming from where everyone is watching...
Good point, but it makes the headline much easier to write at the very least.
Nice to see some facts on this. I think it's a fair workaround. We were in Europe recently and my wife had to cover her shoulders with a scarf in the churches. You know, so that God wouldn't be aroused by her bare naked shoulder.
All (jokes) aside, high speed rides and some modesty clothing is simply going to allow more riders and increase profit. Its all about profit.
Everyone knows this about the Devil’s Wheel. Good idea to give out shorts, especially considering that people have been filming it. But “upskirting” idk
There's a pretty big difference between riding a ride that some people have heard makes skirts fly up and consenting to your upskirt getting posted to the Internet.
Yeah exactly. These people are so immoral, how do they not realise that filming it and posting it is massively invasive and completely wrong; now they’ve ruined it for everyone
Well until today I didn't know that there was anyone filming Teufelsräder specifically to look up skirts, and would've thought nothing of watching a video. I've seen videos of them on YouTube before without thinking it was wrong. So I think that's how - it didn't strike me as invasive to film it, either, and given that it's an event taking place in public I still don't think "invasive" is the right description.
To me the difference is whether you're declaring that you're thinking about people sexually (or encouraging others to do the same) in an explicit way, which goes beyond filming and uploading it.
I think filming, photographing, purely strangers in public is on its way out of acceptability. Probably mainly due to feasibility of distribution… but it’s also just a bit creepy
I don't think that's really true, at least not at that level of generality. At events, it's pretty much ubiquitous that someone from the event will be taking photographs to go on social media or whatever. There is no backlash against photojournalists taking pictures of crowds. Obviously you'd expect both of those professionals to behave according to professional standards, so neither category necessarily has anything to do with the original situation of taking photos of strangers for sexual gratification, but it's something you need to square with your latest comment, I suppose.
You are disgusting
yeah, let's pretend people don't post their bodies on social media for attention
OP: There are probably people who enjoy showing off their bodies. Lots of people are into an infinite about of things.
You, a fucking dipshit:
"Normal weird, or German weird?"
What a nutty article. I have, questions...
It’s fucking ridiculous that this has to be a thing. I would LOVE to go just a week- ONE WEEK… without being embarrassed by my own gender.
Men, do better.
Oh, good. The women who were forced to get on a ride in dresses, famous for raising their dresses. now can have shorts, because they couldn't before.
You could also just make it very clear that disgusting men who sexually assault women will face consequences and follow through on that promise. I guess that's just too much to ask. Not all men indeed...🙄
You boys are always so pissy lol
They do.
Filming under skirts is illegal in Germany, and carries a two-year sentence in jail. [...] The Teufelsrad tent is hung with signs and police posters in German and English warning against filming under people's skirts, but Polaczy[, the woman handing out shorts,] says it is impossible to control everyone filming with smart phones.
Tbf it’s still really frustrating that people can’t help but target women in this way no matter how many warnings or punishment or altering of behavior there may be.
Yeah? Do they follow through on that? cuz that's the important part.
Why are you always defending stupid shit lol it's always you
I mean, from the same article I have to keep reading on your behalf:
This year, police arrested a 45-year-old Swiss man for using his phone to film under a German woman's dirndl. Last year there were 10 arrests for upskirting and seven in 2024.
I don't think I can compile enough statistics on the niche crimonology of "people who take upskirt shots at Oktoberfest" to satisfy "do they follow through on that?" – nebulous enough that the goalposts could be anywhere, especially for someone who can't be bothered with the bare minimum effort to inform themselves on the topic – but it's enough that I hope you'll consider researching the topic further if you want to justify being this obnoxious.
Why are you always defending stupid shit lol it's always you
I don't know what you're talking about – specifically or generally.
In this case, I just read the article, came to the comments, read the things you said, and remembered parts of the article that contradict it.
Defensive much? Hit a little too close to home, huh?
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