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[–] 41 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Its weird how they keep breaking and they have to keep replacing them.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Interesting, in my area they keep disappearing instead of breaking.

    On a completely unrelated note I have a fancy £50000 puzzle on my fridge right now.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    It never stops being funny how the US is always 10-20-30 years late with most things and it's always done in the worst way possible. We've had these for many years here in Sweden and have none of these issues. All I've heard from friends who work at grocery stores is that they're better and takes less work to change, giving more time for other things.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    The reason is labor is cheaper. The people who put up signage in shops get paid close to minimum wage and get restricted hours under 35 so corporate doesn't have to pay for benefits like healthcare. So the only incentive for changing to electonic tags is being able to charge customers more.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    How the fuck would surveillance based pricing work in real life. Prices would have to change every time a different person looked at it. Can you imagine the chaos at the self scan checkouts when the pricing flashes up wrong on every item you bought. Most people would just leave

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I am thoroughly confused. Where I live almost all supermarkets went from printing labels on paper, to putting this e-ink little displays. Did price fixing explode overnight? Obviously not, we have bloody laws that prevent that, it's not the responsibility of a stupid little screen...

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    The more I think about it the more dumber it sounds... There is this terrible practice that is our society worse every day, but tomorrow with this new technology they can do it twice faster! That's bad, we should ban the technology, so they can only make our life terrible, and not double terrible!

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    How is that an improvement? Higher cost and less jobs?
    Did every exec forget everything they learned in business school?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This headline just made hundreds of retail executives orgasm at once.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    A store near me adopted those a long time ago. Then they realized it was even cheaper to not use them at all.

    Now they simply don't have any visible pricing. You want it, you will buy it. Simple as.

    Turns out their prices are becoming absolutely insane when you check the receipt.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    In my state the customer would be able to reference the last visible sales tag or printed circular if no posted prices. So some granny could have an ad from whenever this all started and basically have grandfathered in grocery prices until the manager finally decides he is losing enough money and starts putting signage up again.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    And next week someone vibe codes an app that automatically registers all prices on the electronic labels as they walk around with their phone in hand and tells the customers in real time what is overpriced and much cheaper in nearby stores. Store owners will be outraged and demand the app to be taken down. The next day there are five apps doing something similar.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    We've had that tech for 16 years, but it's implemented differently — and costs a lot more now.

    OurGroceries is one of the first apps I've downloaded in 2010. It was $5 to remove the banner ad. We paid $15 for it. $5 for me on Android in 2010. $5 for my wife on Android in 2010. And $5 for me on iOS in 2016. They since made it so where if one person buys it, everyone who shares the lists with each other gets to use it for free. Only, now it's $20.

    So here's how it works. It's synced grocery lists. You can totally do this with Google Keep or any other shared note system — Apple Notes does it, too. But we did this in 2010 when we didn't have access to those (iPhones did not even come to our area until 2014!). So my wife and I would make a list. She'd drop me off at one store and then go to another. We'd put Bluetooth earbuds in our ears and go shopping together, but at different stores. We'd go down the list and call out the price. Whoever could get it cheaper would put it in their cart. We'd both check out, and then she'd swing by and pick me up.

    Not illegal. No stores have kicked us out for doing it. Now imagine if you have 3+ roommates and you're on a party line.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    our WFs in my area are using this right now. they often go on the fritz, when an item gets removed from being sold in the store, or the item has to be moved to another area.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    But where will they hide when the revolution comes?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Just like flock cameras, destroy them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Farmers markets.

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    [–] 96 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    It would really be nice if we had an economic system where replacing a human who manually applies stickers to shelves with a centrally-managed electronic price system was an improvement to society rather than a disaster.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Ain't that the truth.

    We are in this trap now where we can make life easier lest we eliminate a job.

    Isn't that the damn point?

    God damn capitalists act as if the whole point of life is work, breed, die.

    Meanwhile, we're all building on the knowledge of hundreds of generations trying to make "work" as easy and efficient as possible.

    What's weird is that me and Musk probably have a common ancestor who like invented the wheel or some shit. It's more likely than not, really. That dude didn't care about billions of dollars. He just wanted to get his cart back to his hut so he could commence the breeding.

    Likely not entirely accurate, since I doubt carts were invented before wheels, but you never know. We had tin cans for 50 years before we had can openers, so our ancestors did some crazy shit.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Ostensibly it still happens. Losing your job to technology frees you up to work at something a machine can't do, or spend more time doing something fun. But it depends on enough redistribution happening that you can still survive.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    In the long run, there is very little a machine can't do. Though in some cases we have not quite invented that machine yet.

    And right now the job replacement is happening at an exponentially higher level than the industrial revolution everyone compares it to.

    This isn't every cobbler going to work in a shoe factory.

    Its not like everyone replaced by AI can go become a programmer or a "prompt engineer", especually when in many cases, the AI also already does that job too.

    A world where we no longer need to work is fine, but we as a society are not working towards that, because we allow the hoarding of wealth and power instead of punishing it forciboy, brutally, swiftly. We just let that corruption fester and grow.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    I remember a while back when they were getting rid of toll both collectors and going mostly "digital". There was outcry from the workers saying it will put them out of work so we shouldn't do it. Even tho it's infinitely better for everyone to just drive thru and get billed later.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    All just to give a little more to a handful of people with more money than they could ever spend

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    That's their hopes, yup

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Can these be reprogrammed?

    I'm not saying to steal them. I'm just saying I saw them at a clothes store and I'm just curious.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Yes, but actually no. They almost certainly use cheap glob top ICs for their firmware and I'd be surprised if they can be reflashed at all. You might be able to figure out how to push your own updates to them but you'll likely be restricted to displaying a limited format. It's really going to depend on the specific model though and how open ended the manufacturer made them.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    What about just stripping the little eink displays off and hooking them to a RaspberryPi (or whatever).

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    The problem would be driving the display. Typically you need some kind of dedicated display driver IC which is likely baked into the control IC on these devices. It's most likely not worth the time to try to figure out one without the other. The good news is someone linked a really cool hackaday article above where somebody worked out the control protocol on at least one model and demonstrated pushing pretty arbitrary content to the display.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah good timing considering they're now installed in every store. Definitely the time to throw objections.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    No you naysayers are a bunch of abusive sarcastic pricks. We corporations and policy makers are tired of being abused wahhhh now we're going to ignore you even more and also tell everybody else to ignore you. Look at us solving problems. Centrism forever!

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    It's probably a good thing. We have too many jobs. Everyone I talk to complains they're working two or three jobs. So if we can get rid of these excessive jobs things will get better.

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    "why didn't you say so?? If it's a jobs program, they should be using spoons!"

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Another soon to be partizan theme in the US, while in the rest of the world this has been in use for years.

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    [–] 13 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Lets be honest, replacing labels on a shelf is hardly a job we need to be saving.

    Just make it illegal to raise prices on products while customers are in the shop so that they can't change the price between you picking it up and going to pay for it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It’s a good start but a bit trickier. I guess we also need to ban personalized pricing. If the shop is empty and someone approaches, we would not want the prices to update for that person just before they enter. Also, the price of allergy meds could still jump up just before they open the shop on a day with a high pollen count.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Can we have a full automated communism now?

    Or is it still too early?

    We are squeezing down the margins on everything. At one point, we should accept that profit is not the correct incentive to make things better.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    If you don’t like what the price tags show, just change them yourself using an app.

    From the article, it’s interesting that some U.S. states have banned the e-pricetags:

    • Maryland banned surveillance pricing in April
    • Connecticut signed a ban into law in June
    • New Jersey signed a ban into law in July

    Europe is not on the ball AFAIK.

    The one good thing about these electronic tags --you would expect-- would be accurate prices. But I’ve already discovered cases where the cash register price differed from the shelf price. I took the cashier back to the price, and the shelf price was still different (thus it was not a case of the price changing after I grabbed the item.. it was in fact a database inconsistency). I have also seen cases where the price per unit wildly differed from reality, which is contrary to what you would expect if everything is electronic.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Price inconsistencies are primarily because companies sell half assed solutions.

    Company A sells the PoS system, it's CRM, database, management seats and support.

    Company B sells the e-pricetag system, its CRM, database, gateway (most either use Bluetooth or a custom 802.15.4 based protocol, ZigBee but not really), management seats and support.

    Since there's literally hundreds of Company A's and Company B's, and there's absofuckinglutely no standard for either product, it's a hit and miss if the systems can actually work together - primarily because the acquisitions aren't done by involving engineers/experts who pick the best fitting system but by having some dumbass VP or C-suite who knows a guy who knows a guy (and most likely there's a nice kickback chain), and another dumbass middle manager picks the other, compatibility being potentially the least important aspect.

    Then you have the clusterfuck of systems not working together, and needing someone to manage the PoS, someone to manage the price tags, and either a C-suite's 15 year old nephew who's a "programming genius" (managed to prompt Claude to write a calculator app he showed off once) gets some nice money for writing a godawful bridge between the two that kind of works when the stars align right (and breaks after three months because both systems got updated), or there's an actual underpaid gofer whose sole task is to keep the databases in sync.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Also, are those really e-pricetag bans, or hostile pricing tactics bans? I think that distinction matters.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    The links are there. I followed one of them to this:

    “State legislatures across the country are actively working to protect their communities from the dangers of ESLs, introducing bills banning the use of electronic shelving labels and the practice of dynamic pricing in our food and drug stores.”

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I don't think they are "likely" going to do that. Its literally their intended purpose

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    This isn't a defense of them, more a condemnation of the system we have atrophied into... but wouldn't it be illegal for a publicaly traded company to invest a bunch of capital into a new system that didn't squeeze more profits out of people and depress employee costs further?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    I remember this quote from a reptile's lover: Expecting companies to not seek profit is like expecting love from a pet snake.

    Like snake companies are not designed to love the people that feed them and make them exist. It is unreasonable to anthropomorphize them and expect anything else from them than the maximization of profits.

    Which is why where companies work, we should just put safeguard rails so that they don't bite people where they can. And this is also why we should seek other arrangements for any sort of endeavours where the maximization of profit is not the correct incentive.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    unreasonable to anthropomorphize

    I agree, but exceptionally I also agree with RMS who said something like “all corporations are psychopathic”.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    That's anthropomorphization too. Psychopaths have a malfunctioning empathy. Companies don't have it. That's like saying a bird is a double arm amputee. Different beasts.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Corporations are run by people. Those people potentially have empathy. But often CEOs are psychopathic. It’s no coincidence. IIRC, research found that psychopaths also lack empathy for themselves, which means when they fail they do not dwell on it or give a shit about their own pride. They just refine their skill move ahead like a learning machine. It is because of that propensity for psychopaths to shed emotion and be successful in business that they often end up as CEOs. The ideal CEO for shareholders to get max profit is one who robotically makes the best most calculated decision for profit. So it’s sensible enough to think of a corporation as human with malfunctioning empathy. The main difference is that the malfunction is desired and deliberately selected by the shareholders.

    BTW, for some reason I did not get a notification of your reply. I just happened to be back in this thread when I saw your reply.

    (edit) I wonder if it’s because your msg was tagged as français that I did not receive a notification. (edit 2) I had no language selected, not even the “undetermined” language choice. After setting my language to undetermined, I was able to see notifications of your reply.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Watch the bottled water prices trippling on hot days and before disasters

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  • 4 comments in c/usa@lemmy.ml view that post
    [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Doing price changes manually sucked.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not sure that's a job worth keeping.
    Tho it meant that they can't change prices while you are in the checkout waiting for your turn.

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