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I always thought she moved things along too fast

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    61km/h instead of 48km/h. You’re welcome.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Interesting the cultural difference here. People arguing in favor of, or at least the reasonableness of, the law and its application. Americans regularly speed, 20+ mph over the limit is not uncommon. People would lose their shit over a driving ban in the US, and probably keep driving anyway. DUI repeat offenders and suspended license drivers are pretty common.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    and probably keep driving anyway

    In much of the US, the alternative is lose your job and become homeless, so.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Higher incentive to not speed, then

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Passing by a sign that lowers the speed limit without noticing it means you deserve to be homeless?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    If you can't pay attention in your multi ton machine, then yes I am in favour of consequences for your actions. I am not in favour of the system that makes those consequences homelessness, no.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Repeat offenders and unlicensed drivers happen here as well. But the use of cameras makes it much harder then the past.

    But having lived in the US. Most of it has so little public transport not driving is impossible. Here it is doable in all but the most remote areas. Just crap compared to the 80s and before. It is still way better the most cities in the US.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I wish we had better transit here. I hate driving but, as you said, have to because there's no better solutions.

    Are pets allowed on public transit in the UK/Europe?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's nice! Here the transit rules say only in a carrier which doesn't work with two 60lb. dogs. Even if the rules changed tomorrow the other riders would be mad if you did.

    The US doesn't just have terrible public transit but there's also terrible culture around the public transit we do have.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Millionaire ($85m) problems. Girl can pay for uber

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think the point is that she can but she's still arrogant and entitled enough to speed and get caught... and then speed and get caught again.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And again, and again. 1st time is 3 points or speed awareness course (why would anyone not do it), then assuming she didn't accrue points in a different way (bald tyres etc) it's 3 points for each subsequent speeding offense and you need 12 points for a 6 month ban. That's 5 times caught speeding in 3 years.

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago (46 children)

    38mph in a 30mph zone

    Seems strict to me. but I'm not British.

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  • [–] 102 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    30 is for built up areas. Also key is that jaywalking isn’t a thing in Britain. Pedestrians always have right of way and can cross the street at any point so in urban areas motorists must be prepared to stop at any time.

    There’s also a 10% grace where prosecutions under that are unusal. But the chances of survival being hit at 38mph are significantly lower than at 30, or even 33.

    The ban is for exceeding the penalty points on her licence. She had 9pts before this conviction, and speeding carries 6-8pts which has put her over the 12pt limit, which she accumulated over 3yrs so that’s a 6-month ban.

    After 6 months she will need to take her driving test again and reapply for her licence.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Just as this this guy says

    you dont get a ban for the first instance. This shows repeated offences. Lucky she has the money for a driver.

    I have little patience for serial speeders. Gripe all you like, but speed limits save lives.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Pretty sure speeding in that range would net a fixed penalty of 3 points. Also, she would have had the first 3 points discounted via an awareness course. So, in effect this is likely the 5th offense, or less if one or more of the others was serious enough to get 6 points.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My idiot sister racked up nine points in six months after moving to the UK. She claimed not to have seen the 40mph sign she blew past at 50. "They're so small!" She only started paying attention when she realised she was one ticket away from a ban.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    If you don't know what the speed limit is then just go at 30. That's the slowest that any road will ever be unless it's a suburban housing but then it's pretty obvious.

    The 40 signs are small but they're also repeated, you get it at the entrance of the 40 and then every couple of metres there's another 40 for the entire distance, so if you miss one you'll only be going at 30 for a while and then you'll see another and it'll tell you to go at 40.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    To be fair, I struggled with the UK signs when I moved here from Sweden. Big yellow quite distinct, to smaller ones that pop less from the surroundings. Not an excuse as such, but I find it understandable.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    But the chances of survival being hit at 38mph are significantly lower than at 30, or even 33.

    I've been knocked down by a car doing 5mph. My head was embedded in the bonnet, bounced off it, and then I was on the road staring at the underside and tyre of a fortunately stopped car before my puny human brain could figure out what happened.

    Being hit, even at 5mph, is not something you'd want, let alone 38.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    She already had nine points on her licence, so she's a repeat offender, hence the book getting thrown at her.
    Conversely, this happened in Oxford, which is well known for being strict on drivers. She might have got away with it elsewhere.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You can go from a 40mph zone to a 30mph on the same stretch of road. But there are signs well in advance to indicate the speed change. It's quite common for the rozzers to be 'sat' waiting in these spots to catch those that don't slow down in time.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    It's common to get caught. It's less common to get gmcaight lots of times. Particularly for someone who doesn't drive a lot. Like wealthy people with drivers. She should sloelw down. Matthew Broderick too

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There's a road going out of Southampton that's 40, and has a camera about 6m before the point where it becomes 50. The 50 signs seem more prominent than the camera. I've always thought that was a bit cunty.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    There's a road near me where because of idiots messing around with the road over the years they've ended up with a situation where the speed limit goes from 30 to 50 and yes they also have a camera just before the 50 sign but in fairness to the council I think it's just a leftover from before the roads got messed around with.

    It used to be a 40 to a 50, but then they decided to build some housing on the stretch of road that was 40 and decrease the speed limit to 30.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    I initially thought that. But the article makes it clear. But you need to know how our licenses work.

    Normally for speeding (up to 42mph in a 30) you would get as a first offense the choice of paying for a speed awareness course OR 3 points + fine, and 43-49mph you would get a fixed penalty of 3 points and a fine. Subsequent offenses would go straight to points + fine.

    However the points are important. Your points expire after 3 years. But if you have 12 active points at any time, you will then get a compulsory ban (unless you can prove to a court you need to drive, which is abused of course). Which is what likely happened here.

    So, she's been quite the habitual offender.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Normally speed checks take into account that the car's speedometer and the speed camera are off by a bit, always in favour of the driver. So whilst the violation might be 38 in 30, the actual speed was likely a little bit higher (eg 40-45).

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    How so? Its very clearly over the limit, its not like you can accidentally go around 30% over the limit. Plus don't cars usually over report their speed slightly?

    The only surprise is that she was caught, so she probably does this all the time and this was just the time she was finally caught doing it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    it's not like you can accidentally go around 30% over the limit

    When that 30% is 8mph, yes you can

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Look at a speedometer. You see where 30 is? Now see where 40 is. Do you notice that the line for 40 is past the line for 30? If the needle is past the line for 30 you are diving too fast. There is no way you can do it unless you are not paying attention to your speed.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I was once pulled over for doing 50 in a 30 and I was just coasting down a long hill. I've also been pulled over for doing 35 in a 25mph zone (a classic Texas small town speed trap where the posted speed went from 65 to 55 to 25 in a very short distance with a cop posted at the 25 sign. You had to be on the brakes to make it.) Some cars are quite quick, foot on the gas pedal a moment too long and you've blown through 8mph. Some people spend more time with their eyes outside the car than on the dash. Hell a lot of you drive around with highbeams on and there's an indicator light for that too.

    But also, "Watson already had nine points on her licence before the speeding incident occurred, the court heard."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I was once pulled over for doing 50 in a 30 and I was just coasting down a long hill.

    I'm sorry your defence is that the gravity was doing the work not the engine and therefore the speed doesn't count? You realise that's not how it works

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You paint a picture of a fucking atrocious driver who should not be on the road.

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    So I'm not advocating for speeding, and I think getting a ticket for going 38 in a 30 is reasonable enough, she should be more careful. But "the probability of death given a collision" is an astronomically low contributor to the risk to pedestrians compared to "the probability of a collision." We all know getting hit by a car is extremely dangerous even at low speeds. The risk of hitting a pedestrian doesn't go up much between 38mph and 30mph under normal conditions, so the risk to pedestrians doesn't change much. It's probably within typical margins considering the difference between drivers who may be older, have slower reaction times, have slept less that day, etc.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The amount you are allowed to drive over the speed limit is in fact 0mph (0 km/h for us Europeans).

    Tolerance of violations of this is a sign of a deeply broken society

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is different in Germany but we learn about tolerance in driving school. Your speedometer can be wrong by about 10% and speed guns can also have errors. A good system accounts for unintentional speeding.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Speedometers are not allowed to display a lower speed than the vehicle is running at all under EU regulation - see https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX%3A42004X0331%2801%29&qid=1752829119241 § 5.3

    Displaying a speed slightly higher than actual speed is common and an acceptable margin of safety, such that if you are driving at the speed that the speedometer shows, you are more or less guaranteed to not exceed the speed limit.

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  • [+] -22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It is. A lot of councils set limits arbitrarily low to frustrate drivers. It makes for easy pickings if you set up a speed camera or frequent the area with mobile speed traps.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Prove it. Otherwise your statement is a lie/fabrication.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I'm not sure how I'm supposed to prove an opinion. At the same time, I'm not sure it follows that a statement that would be very difficult to prove either way would necessarily count as a lie. I wish you all the best with your world view.

    Having not lived in UK for a while I won't offer up anything local. However, there is this from my current homeland:

    https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/crime---court/1688083/shooting-fish-in-a-barrel-judge-sets-out-reason-for-dismissing-speeding-cases-before-laois-court.html

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Thames valley police hate the car. I’ve been done a couple of times that way. 33 in a 30 for me last time, Really strict.

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Have you tried… learning how to operate a car?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I suspect you might be telling on yourself here as someone who didn’t drive.

    People who go through car education and actually drive learn about system tolerances. Speedometers can be off by up to 10% and radar guns can be off by about the same.

    If you actually drive and use cruise control set to 30 and go up a hill to a level section of road, the cruise control will likely bring you up to 33 before it reacts the reduced power needs and brings you down to 30 again.

    Cars in real life are not exactly like they are in video games.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    By law speedos must never under-read. If you are driving such a car, you are breaking the law.

    And your argument is balderdash. If there’s a tolerance with any machinery, a competent operator would factor that in.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    That's pretty much what they said, speedos over read. If your speedo is indicating slightly too fast, you're probably sitting at the actual speed limit

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    But why would the sane do that?

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    Risking a fine for the sake of a few seconds off the travel time? Why not simply stick to the limit as read from the speedo.

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    I don’t own a car. I just maintain a drivers license for rare cases when I need to go to a place where public transport does not reach.

    I just went through the education and have the practical experience regarding driving.

    I don’t think this angry approach is the best way to go forward here. Action and advocacy will beat out internet anger all day.

    Advocate for and use public transport at you local level.

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  • [+] -62 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    But, but... come on you guys! She's a feminist and speaks out for feminist rights. She can get away with anything and women feminists laud her! She's great!

    They're (un)surprisingly quiet in here though.

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  • [+] -26 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You really are chasing this down, huh? Next you'll be shouting "it's a hoax".

    But I see you being abusive and offensive to someone you think has mental health issues because that's acceptable in your world.

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