"I before E, except after C, and when sounding like A, as in neighbor and weigh, and on weekends and holidays and all throughout May, and you'll always be wrong, no matter what you say."
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...except after "c" or when sounding like "ay", as in neighbor or weigh
- Neighbor
- Eight
- Beige
- Sleigh
- Received
- Foreign
- Weightlifters
Follow the rule
I'm seizing this!
How do you pronounce 'received'? (Or foreign, for that matter...)
It doesn't work all the time. English is full of nonsense like that. People always only remember half of this rule though.
"Received" would be the "except after C" part, not the "sounding like ay" part.
Not sure about "foreign", or "leisure" for that matter. Maybe foreign used to be pronounced with the "ay" sound. I'm guessing something similar with leisure.
The rule that I was taught as a kid was “I before E except after C only if the sound is ee”
It catches all of the examples on the mug except “weird” which gets a pass in my book because it’s weird (Keith’s excluded because proper nouns don’t follow rules). It doesn’t catch “caffeine” but the “ei” in “caffeinated” isn’t pronounced ee where I come from.
I’ve never heard the “ay” rule but it doesn’t seem to catch as many words as the “not ee” rule.
Yeah the whole rule (and really the whole confusion) is about "ee". Other pronunciations are always spelt "ei" anyway.
It still has exceptions but it catches a lot. And i wish people followed it because I die inside every time someone spells "Wiener" as "Weiner". The city is called Wien ffs.
Received is the except after C rule. Foreign uses the same ay sound as neighbor.
Keith is a better one, but it's a proper noun so a lot of rules for spelling are ignored.
I’m sorry… foreign and neighbor do not use the same sound
They do but not where its_kim thinks:
fȯr-ən
nā-bər
The "ei" in "foreign" is a schwa ( /ə/ ) and so is the "o" in neighbor.
Sources (American English): https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor
It does when you pronounce it correctly.
No...
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor
nā-bər
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign
fȯr-ən
You're probably speaking some fringe accent.
Firstly, there is, effectively, no 'correct' way to pronounce any damn thing. Languages belong to those who use them. RP English is no more correct than Delhi English, or Alabama English for that matter.
Secondly, I have English speaking friends from just about every US state, and so many countries, and I have never once heard one pronounce foreign as "fore-ayn." I'd love to know what dialect you speak.
Foreign does not use the same sound as neighbor.
nAYbor
forEN
It does sound like forayn to me.
It absolutely doesn't have a hard E vowel sound. Except when my deep south relatives say it.
Because it's not a "hard" E.... it's a mid-central vowel in "foreign" (schwa): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_central_vowel (like when going "uh")
Proof in an American dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign
While "ei" in "Neighbor" is NOT a schwa, it's an "ay": https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor
You must pronounce Foreign in a strange way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_E_except_after_C
or when sounding like "ay", as in neighbor or weigh
And on weekends and holidays and all throughout may. You'll always be wrong no matter what you say!
That’s not very scientific…
Edit: Downvote why? ‘Science’ clearly doesn’t follow the rule.
Good point, need to add that it’s also only for diphthongs. Science doesn’t apply because the i and e are in different syllables.
Honestly I wish we would just stop teaching stupid ‘rules’ like this. English is easier to just remember than to try to suss out some sort of rule set by which you can magically spell a word you just heard or magically pronounce a word you have only read. I hated being told to sound shit out when I was a kid.
It’s like “‘c’s make a ‘k’ or ‘s’ noise, sound it out”: Pacific Ocean
Fucking really?
The phrase I learned was "except after 'c' but only if the sound is 'ee'". Mostly also works.
i before e, except after c, and this only applies when it rhymes with "me"
"Just sound it out" is the best I got, wish mnemonic devices worked for me but they always get reversed or worse
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