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[–] 31 points 1 month ago* (31 children)

...except after "c" or when sounding like "ay", as in neighbor or weigh

  • Neighbor
  • Eight
  • Beige
  • Sleigh
  • Received
  • Foreign
  • Weightlifters

Follow the rule

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (19 children)

    How do you pronounce 'received'? (Or foreign, for that matter...)

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    "Received" would be the "except after C" part, not the "sounding like ay" part.

    Not sure about "foreign", or "leisure" for that matter. Maybe foreign used to be pronounced with the "ay" sound. I'm guessing something similar with leisure.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    The rule that I was taught as a kid was “I before E except after C only if the sound is ee”

    It catches all of the examples on the mug except “weird” which gets a pass in my book because it’s weird (Keith’s excluded because proper nouns don’t follow rules). It doesn’t catch “caffeine” but the “ei” in “caffeinated” isn’t pronounced ee where I come from.

    I’ve never heard the “ay” rule but it doesn’t seem to catch as many words as the “not ee” rule.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Yeah the whole rule (and really the whole confusion) is about "ee". Other pronunciations are always spelt "ei" anyway.

    It still has exceptions but it catches a lot. And i wish people followed it because I die inside every time someone spells "Wiener" as "Weiner". The city is called Wien ffs.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

    Received is the except after C rule. Foreign uses the same ay sound as neighbor.

    Keith is a better one, but it's a proper noun so a lot of rules for spelling are ignored.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I’m sorry… foreign and neighbor do not use the same sound

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It does when you pronounce it correctly.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago*

    Firstly, there is, effectively, no 'correct' way to pronounce any damn thing. Languages belong to those who use them. RP English is no more correct than Delhi English, or Alabama English for that matter.

    Secondly, I have English speaking friends from just about every US state, and so many countries, and I have never once heard one pronounce foreign as "fore-ayn." I'd love to know what dialect you speak.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Foreign does not use the same sound as neighbor.

    nAYbor

    forEN

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It absolutely doesn't have a hard E vowel sound. Except when my deep south relatives say it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    That’s not very scientific…

    Edit: Downvote why? ‘Science’ clearly doesn’t follow the rule.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Good point, need to add that it’s also only for diphthongs. Science doesn’t apply because the i and e are in different syllables.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Honestly I wish we would just stop teaching stupid ‘rules’ like this. English is easier to just remember than to try to suss out some sort of rule set by which you can magically spell a word you just heard or magically pronounce a word you have only read. I hated being told to sound shit out when I was a kid.

    It’s like “‘c’s make a ‘k’ or ‘s’ noise, sound it out”: Pacific Ocean

    Fucking really?

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