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[–] woop_woop@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago* (31 children) ...except after "c" or when sounding like "ay", as in neighbor or weigh Neighbor Eight Beige Sleigh Received Foreign Weightlifters Follow the rule permalink fedilink source hideshow 31 child comments replies: [–] spizzat2@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'm seizing this! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but it's pronounced sayzing. It has to because of the rule. permalink fedilink source parent [–] icanbrewmushrooms@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (19 children) How do you pronounce 'received'? (Or foreign, for that matter...) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago It doesn't work all the time. English is full of nonsense like that. People always only remember half of this rule though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tetris11@feddit.uk 5 points 1 month ago Four-Ay-Gun permalink fedilink source parent [–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) "Received" would be the "except after C" part, not the "sounding like ay" part. Not sure about "foreign", or "leisure" for that matter. Maybe foreign used to be pronounced with the "ay" sound. I'm guessing something similar with leisure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nogooduser@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) The rule that I was taught as a kid was “I before E except after C only if the sound is ee” It catches all of the examples on the mug except “weird” which gets a pass in my book because it’s weird (Keith’s excluded because proper nouns don’t follow rules). It doesn’t catch “caffeine” but the “ei” in “caffeinated” isn’t pronounced ee where I come from. I’ve never heard the “ay” rule but it doesn’t seem to catch as many words as the “not ee” rule. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LwL@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Yeah the whole rule (and really the whole confusion) is about "ee". Other pronunciations are always spelt "ei" anyway. It still has exceptions but it catches a lot. And i wish people followed it because I die inside every time someone spells "Wiener" as "Weiner". The city is called Wien ffs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Redjard@reddthat.com 4 points 1 month ago re-saved clearly permalink fedilink source parent [–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children) Received is the except after C rule. Foreign uses the same ay sound as neighbor. Keith is a better one, but it's a proper noun so a lot of rules for spelling are ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] corvi@piefed.social 13 points 1 month ago (5 children) I’m sorry… foreign and neighbor do not use the same sound permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 3 points 1 month ago* They do but not where its_kim thinks: fȯr-ən nā-bər The "ei" in "foreign" is a schwa ( /ə/ ) and so is the "o" in neighbor. Sources (American English): https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor permalink fedilink source parent [+] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone -7 points 1 month ago (3 children) It does when you pronounce it correctly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) No... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor nā-bər https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign fȯr-ən You're probably speaking some fringe accent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago* Firstly, there is, effectively, no 'correct' way to pronounce any damn thing. Languages belong to those who use them. RP English is no more correct than Delhi English, or Alabama English for that matter. Secondly, I have English speaking friends from just about every US state, and so many countries, and I have never once heard one pronounce foreign as "fore-ayn." I'd love to know what dialect you speak. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago Nope. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 11 points 1 month ago (5 children) Foreign does not use the same sound as neighbor. nAYbor forEN permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bstix@feddit.dk 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) It does sound like forayn to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* The most common pronounciations are "for-in" and "for-un". Source: English linguistics student who can read phonetic notation permalink fedilink source parent [–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 1 month ago (2 children) It absolutely doesn't have a hard E vowel sound. Except when my deep south relatives say it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) Because it's not a "hard" E.... it's a mid-central vowel in "foreign" (schwa): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_central_vowel (like when going "uh") Proof in an American dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign While "ei" in "Neighbor" is NOT a schwa, it's an "ay": https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor permalink fedilink source parent [–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago* Yes, you are correct that it does not have a hard E sound permalink fedilink source parent [–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago* You must pronounce Foreign in a strange way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_E_except_after_C permalink fedilink source parent [–] jonathan7luke@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago ... and you'll always be wrong no matter what you say! permalink fedilink source parent [–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago or when sounding like "ay", as in neighbor or weigh And on weekends and holidays and all throughout may. You'll always be wrong no matter what you say! permalink fedilink source parent [–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) That’s not very scientific… Edit: Downvote why? ‘Science’ clearly doesn’t follow the rule. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Good point, need to add that it’s also only for diphthongs. Science doesn’t apply because the i and e are in different syllables. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Honestly I wish we would just stop teaching stupid ‘rules’ like this. English is easier to just remember than to try to suss out some sort of rule set by which you can magically spell a word you just heard or magically pronounce a word you have only read. I hated being told to sound shit out when I was a kid. It’s like “‘c’s make a ‘k’ or ‘s’ noise, sound it out”: Pacific Ocean Fucking really? permalink fedilink source parent [–] otacon239@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Whatever Keith permalink fedilink source parent [–] UncleArthur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) The phrase I learned was "except after 'c' but only if the sound is 'ee'". Mostly also works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago As a scientist, I'm getting a seizure from people in society pretending like this is a useful rule. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spizzat2@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'm seizing this! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but it's pronounced sayzing. It has to because of the rule. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but it's pronounced sayzing. It has to because of the rule. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] icanbrewmushrooms@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (19 children) How do you pronounce 'received'? (Or foreign, for that matter...) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago It doesn't work all the time. English is full of nonsense like that. People always only remember half of this rule though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tetris11@feddit.uk 5 points 1 month ago Four-Ay-Gun permalink fedilink source parent [–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) "Received" would be the "except after C" part, not the "sounding like ay" part. Not sure about "foreign", or "leisure" for that matter. Maybe foreign used to be pronounced with the "ay" sound. I'm guessing something similar with leisure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nogooduser@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) The rule that I was taught as a kid was “I before E except after C only if the sound is ee” It catches all of the examples on the mug except “weird” which gets a pass in my book because it’s weird (Keith’s excluded because proper nouns don’t follow rules). It doesn’t catch “caffeine” but the “ei” in “caffeinated” isn’t pronounced ee where I come from. I’ve never heard the “ay” rule but it doesn’t seem to catch as many words as the “not ee” rule. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LwL@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Yeah the whole rule (and really the whole confusion) is about "ee". Other pronunciations are always spelt "ei" anyway. It still has exceptions but it catches a lot. And i wish people followed it because I die inside every time someone spells "Wiener" as "Weiner". The city is called Wien ffs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Redjard@reddthat.com 4 points 1 month ago re-saved clearly permalink fedilink source parent [–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children) Received is the except after C rule. Foreign uses the same ay sound as neighbor. Keith is a better one, but it's a proper noun so a lot of rules for spelling are ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] corvi@piefed.social 13 points 1 month ago (5 children) I’m sorry… foreign and neighbor do not use the same sound permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 3 points 1 month ago* They do but not where its_kim thinks: fȯr-ən nā-bər The "ei" in "foreign" is a schwa ( /ə/ ) and so is the "o" in neighbor. Sources (American English): https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor permalink fedilink source parent [+] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone -7 points 1 month ago (3 children) It does when you pronounce it correctly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) No... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor nā-bər https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign fȯr-ən You're probably speaking some fringe accent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago* Firstly, there is, effectively, no 'correct' way to pronounce any damn thing. Languages belong to those who use them. RP English is no more correct than Delhi English, or Alabama English for that matter. Secondly, I have English speaking friends from just about every US state, and so many countries, and I have never once heard one pronounce foreign as "fore-ayn." I'd love to know what dialect you speak. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago Nope. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 11 points 1 month ago (5 children) Foreign does not use the same sound as neighbor. nAYbor forEN permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bstix@feddit.dk 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) It does sound like forayn to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* The most common pronounciations are "for-in" and "for-un". Source: English linguistics student who can read phonetic notation permalink fedilink source parent [–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 1 month ago (2 children) It absolutely doesn't have a hard E vowel sound. Except when my deep south relatives say it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) Because it's not a "hard" E.... it's a mid-central vowel in "foreign" (schwa): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_central_vowel (like when going "uh") Proof in an American dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign While "ei" in "Neighbor" is NOT a schwa, it's an "ay": https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor permalink fedilink source parent [–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago* Yes, you are correct that it does not have a hard E sound permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago It doesn't work all the time. English is full of nonsense like that. People always only remember half of this rule though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) "Received" would be the "except after C" part, not the "sounding like ay" part. Not sure about "foreign", or "leisure" for that matter. Maybe foreign used to be pronounced with the "ay" sound. I'm guessing something similar with leisure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nogooduser@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) The rule that I was taught as a kid was “I before E except after C only if the sound is ee” It catches all of the examples on the mug except “weird” which gets a pass in my book because it’s weird (Keith’s excluded because proper nouns don’t follow rules). It doesn’t catch “caffeine” but the “ei” in “caffeinated” isn’t pronounced ee where I come from. I’ve never heard the “ay” rule but it doesn’t seem to catch as many words as the “not ee” rule. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LwL@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Yeah the whole rule (and really the whole confusion) is about "ee". Other pronunciations are always spelt "ei" anyway. It still has exceptions but it catches a lot. And i wish people followed it because I die inside every time someone spells "Wiener" as "Weiner". The city is called Wien ffs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nogooduser@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) The rule that I was taught as a kid was “I before E except after C only if the sound is ee” It catches all of the examples on the mug except “weird” which gets a pass in my book because it’s weird (Keith’s excluded because proper nouns don’t follow rules). It doesn’t catch “caffeine” but the “ei” in “caffeinated” isn’t pronounced ee where I come from. I’ve never heard the “ay” rule but it doesn’t seem to catch as many words as the “not ee” rule. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LwL@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Yeah the whole rule (and really the whole confusion) is about "ee". Other pronunciations are always spelt "ei" anyway. It still has exceptions but it catches a lot. And i wish people followed it because I die inside every time someone spells "Wiener" as "Weiner". The city is called Wien ffs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LwL@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Yeah the whole rule (and really the whole confusion) is about "ee". Other pronunciations are always spelt "ei" anyway. It still has exceptions but it catches a lot. And i wish people followed it because I die inside every time someone spells "Wiener" as "Weiner". The city is called Wien ffs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children) Received is the except after C rule. Foreign uses the same ay sound as neighbor. Keith is a better one, but it's a proper noun so a lot of rules for spelling are ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] corvi@piefed.social 13 points 1 month ago (5 children) I’m sorry… foreign and neighbor do not use the same sound permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 3 points 1 month ago* They do but not where its_kim thinks: fȯr-ən nā-bər The "ei" in "foreign" is a schwa ( /ə/ ) and so is the "o" in neighbor. Sources (American English): https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor permalink fedilink source parent [+] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone -7 points 1 month ago (3 children) It does when you pronounce it correctly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) No... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor nā-bər https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign fȯr-ən You're probably speaking some fringe accent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago* Firstly, there is, effectively, no 'correct' way to pronounce any damn thing. Languages belong to those who use them. RP English is no more correct than Delhi English, or Alabama English for that matter. Secondly, I have English speaking friends from just about every US state, and so many countries, and I have never once heard one pronounce foreign as "fore-ayn." I'd love to know what dialect you speak. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago Nope. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 11 points 1 month ago (5 children) Foreign does not use the same sound as neighbor. nAYbor forEN permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bstix@feddit.dk 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) It does sound like forayn to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* The most common pronounciations are "for-in" and "for-un". Source: English linguistics student who can read phonetic notation permalink fedilink source parent [–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 1 month ago (2 children) It absolutely doesn't have a hard E vowel sound. Except when my deep south relatives say it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) Because it's not a "hard" E.... it's a mid-central vowel in "foreign" (schwa): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_central_vowel (like when going "uh") Proof in an American dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign While "ei" in "Neighbor" is NOT a schwa, it's an "ay": https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor permalink fedilink source parent [–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago* Yes, you are correct that it does not have a hard E sound permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corvi@piefed.social 13 points 1 month ago (5 children) I’m sorry… foreign and neighbor do not use the same sound permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 3 points 1 month ago* They do but not where its_kim thinks: fȯr-ən nā-bər The "ei" in "foreign" is a schwa ( /ə/ ) and so is the "o" in neighbor. Sources (American English): https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor permalink fedilink source parent [+] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone -7 points 1 month ago (3 children) It does when you pronounce it correctly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) No... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor nā-bər https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign fȯr-ən You're probably speaking some fringe accent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago* Firstly, there is, effectively, no 'correct' way to pronounce any damn thing. Languages belong to those who use them. RP English is no more correct than Delhi English, or Alabama English for that matter. Secondly, I have English speaking friends from just about every US state, and so many countries, and I have never once heard one pronounce foreign as "fore-ayn." I'd love to know what dialect you speak. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago Nope. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 3 points 1 month ago* They do but not where its_kim thinks: fȯr-ən nā-bər The "ei" in "foreign" is a schwa ( /ə/ ) and so is the "o" in neighbor. Sources (American English): https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor permalink fedilink source parent
[+] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone -7 points 1 month ago (3 children) It does when you pronounce it correctly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) No... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor nā-bər https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign fȯr-ən You're probably speaking some fringe accent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago* Firstly, there is, effectively, no 'correct' way to pronounce any damn thing. Languages belong to those who use them. RP English is no more correct than Delhi English, or Alabama English for that matter. Secondly, I have English speaking friends from just about every US state, and so many countries, and I have never once heard one pronounce foreign as "fore-ayn." I'd love to know what dialect you speak. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago Nope. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) No... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor nā-bər https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign fȯr-ən You're probably speaking some fringe accent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago* Firstly, there is, effectively, no 'correct' way to pronounce any damn thing. Languages belong to those who use them. RP English is no more correct than Delhi English, or Alabama English for that matter. Secondly, I have English speaking friends from just about every US state, and so many countries, and I have never once heard one pronounce foreign as "fore-ayn." I'd love to know what dialect you speak. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 11 points 1 month ago (5 children) Foreign does not use the same sound as neighbor. nAYbor forEN permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bstix@feddit.dk 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) It does sound like forayn to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* The most common pronounciations are "for-in" and "for-un". Source: English linguistics student who can read phonetic notation permalink fedilink source parent [–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 1 month ago (2 children) It absolutely doesn't have a hard E vowel sound. Except when my deep south relatives say it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) Because it's not a "hard" E.... it's a mid-central vowel in "foreign" (schwa): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_central_vowel (like when going "uh") Proof in an American dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign While "ei" in "Neighbor" is NOT a schwa, it's an "ay": https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor permalink fedilink source parent [–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago* Yes, you are correct that it does not have a hard E sound permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bstix@feddit.dk 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) It does sound like forayn to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* The most common pronounciations are "for-in" and "for-un". Source: English linguistics student who can read phonetic notation permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* The most common pronounciations are "for-in" and "for-un". Source: English linguistics student who can read phonetic notation permalink fedilink source parent
[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 1 month ago (2 children) It absolutely doesn't have a hard E vowel sound. Except when my deep south relatives say it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) Because it's not a "hard" E.... it's a mid-central vowel in "foreign" (schwa): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_central_vowel (like when going "uh") Proof in an American dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign While "ei" in "Neighbor" is NOT a schwa, it's an "ay": https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor permalink fedilink source parent [–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago* Yes, you are correct that it does not have a hard E sound permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) Because it's not a "hard" E.... it's a mid-central vowel in "foreign" (schwa): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_central_vowel (like when going "uh") Proof in an American dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign While "ei" in "Neighbor" is NOT a schwa, it's an "ay": https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neighbor permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago* Yes, you are correct that it does not have a hard E sound permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago* You must pronounce Foreign in a strange way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_E_except_after_C permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jonathan7luke@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago ... and you'll always be wrong no matter what you say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago or when sounding like "ay", as in neighbor or weigh And on weekends and holidays and all throughout may. You'll always be wrong no matter what you say! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) That’s not very scientific… Edit: Downvote why? ‘Science’ clearly doesn’t follow the rule. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Good point, need to add that it’s also only for diphthongs. Science doesn’t apply because the i and e are in different syllables. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Honestly I wish we would just stop teaching stupid ‘rules’ like this. English is easier to just remember than to try to suss out some sort of rule set by which you can magically spell a word you just heard or magically pronounce a word you have only read. I hated being told to sound shit out when I was a kid. It’s like “‘c’s make a ‘k’ or ‘s’ noise, sound it out”: Pacific Ocean Fucking really? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Good point, need to add that it’s also only for diphthongs. Science doesn’t apply because the i and e are in different syllables. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Honestly I wish we would just stop teaching stupid ‘rules’ like this. English is easier to just remember than to try to suss out some sort of rule set by which you can magically spell a word you just heard or magically pronounce a word you have only read. I hated being told to sound shit out when I was a kid. It’s like “‘c’s make a ‘k’ or ‘s’ noise, sound it out”: Pacific Ocean Fucking really? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Honestly I wish we would just stop teaching stupid ‘rules’ like this. English is easier to just remember than to try to suss out some sort of rule set by which you can magically spell a word you just heard or magically pronounce a word you have only read. I hated being told to sound shit out when I was a kid. It’s like “‘c’s make a ‘k’ or ‘s’ noise, sound it out”: Pacific Ocean Fucking really? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UncleArthur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) The phrase I learned was "except after 'c' but only if the sound is 'ee'". Mostly also works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago As a scientist, I'm getting a seizure from people in society pretending like this is a useful rule. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago As a scientist, I'm getting a seizure from people in society pretending like this is a useful rule. permalink fedilink source parent