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[–] 37 points 1 year ago*

Just more scientifically unsound forensic "evidence" for prosecutors to bamboozle juries with.

This will definitely also be one of those "only works to convict" forms of evidence like fingerprints, where the presence of a non-match will be played off as inconclusive, but a "match" will be treated as 100% definitive.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    I'll take "Sandpaper" for $200, Alex.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    key excerpt:

    Most 3D printers work by heating up a filament—often, but not always, plastic—and extruding it through a metal nozzle. The nozzle puts down hundreds, or even thousands, of layers of the heated plastic to form a solid object. Each individual level of the print is called the print line. “So on the firearm, I’m seeing from the trigger guard—maybe print line 200—and the top of the magazine well—print line 400—the marks are staying consistent,” Garrison said.

    It was an exciting discovery but it also wouldn’t be admissible as evidence in a criminal trial. Despite the promise that we may one day be able to match a printer to the object that made it, Garrison stressed that the work was in its very early days and that it would take years, perhaps even a decade, of science to work out the truth of toolmarks and 3D printers.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Also worth pointing out:

    There are other issues too. All of Law and Blair’s tests were done with one kind of 3D printer—a Prusa MK4S. There’s hundreds of different devices on the market that all behave differently. Law also pointed out that brass nozzles warp over time themselves and may produce different results after hundreds of prints and that different nozzles made from different materials may work very differently. Law would also want an examiner rate study—a formal scientific inquiry into false positives and examiner bias.

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    But..... you'd need to do several test prints with the suspects 3D printer to get a matching profile right? It doesn't seem practical but indeed every 3D printer has it's own fingerprint.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    You'd also have to use the same slicer settings, similar room conditions, make sure that you have the same filament roll (assuming it's an FDM printer), make sure that nothing hardware wise was tweaked (eg. fixing belt tension), make sure nothing software wise was tweaked (it's nuts how much difference temp can make), make sure nothing firmware wise was tweaked, and the nozzle cant have had too many prints between the suspicious one and now (or like half of a glow in the dark or carbon fiber filled print).

    Edit: and same print orientation, just turning the part direction in the slicer causes different artifacts, in extreme cases I've seen a part facing one way fail, but a quarter turn right or left prints flawlessly.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's also nuts how much difference eccentric nuts can make.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Both the ones for adjustment, and the operator.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Also the ones who think this is something with even tiny chance of being viable in court anytime soon or will persist as an effective crimebuster for any notable amount of time if they do.

    The above comments have already covered many possible variations complicating things, due to the settings and positions of how the machine was used to 3d print something. The article claims 3d printing tech has nozzles that have unique signatures. They would (or at least should) need to make sure it is actually unique by cross checking with other nozzles too. Lots of them really, just to make sure.

    That might require finding multiple nozzles made in the same batch as the murder weapon, preferably unused, so they could attempt to recreate the crime version, to rule it out. It might be a nozzle manufacturer causing these imperfections where each batch of 10,000 nozzles is made in an extrusion plant or injection mold or done like solder ball grid array or pipefitters and play-doh (i honestly have no idea how they are made lol) and it turns out every nozzle in the first row has the same 'fingerprint' that warps the same way with use.

    As technology progresses, parts should (but these days, idk) be made with more durable materials, with greater precision, capable of smaller scales or higher complexity and these unique signatures disappear for any easily detectable method. That's just the nozzles. In theory, that can apply to many if not all the parts.

    I mean, Fabs for CPU are currently producing chips at what, 3 nanometers now? I just learned about electron-beam lithography too. The 3d printed smoking gun fingerprinting will be an anacronism before it's a specialization, in my opinion.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Just a note on how nozzles are made, they are machined brass usually. They can wear pretty significantly over their lifespan too, especially if you run harsh materials (glow in the dark is harsh enough that a brass nozzle might not last a single print).

    There are hardened steel nozzles, but even those are a wear item, they just wear slowly. As I said somewhere else, it's like trying to chase down a ransom note by analyzing the shape of the lead of a pencil that may have been used to write it. Just using it changes the properties.

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    A criminal could buy an Ender3 or other extremely ubiquitous, non-internet-connected printer. Maybe used, in cash, on various marketplaces.

    Filament can be bought in cash as well from a bunch of retailers and the leftover stock (evidence) easily disposed by dumping or burning/melting after the "suspect objects" are created.

    Furthermore, nozzles are like $1 apiece in some cases. Printbed replacements or sheets of glass (also often used as printbed surfaces) are like $20 and can be changed often and easily. Changing these two components completely invalidates the "match" of the toolmarks.

    This type of forensics is only practical if the target suspect is dumb enough to use the same settings for everything, never change a nozzle or bed, keep all his empty filament spools and receipts, pay for everything with credit cards in his name, and have a bunch of cloud-saved bambu-sliced files called "super illegal weaponry.gcode" associated with his printer.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Is this how ghost gun printing is working? One person with a machine making and selling oodles?

    If you've printed your own it seems like this would have limited applications, because you've either destroyed or lost it, or it's still in your possession.

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