Two-thirds of straight women and one-third of straight men are unwilling to date a bisexual person of the opposite sex, according to a YouGov poll published today, during Bisexuality Visibility Week. The poll illustrates how lingering stereotypes negatively affect people’s impressions of bisexual individuals.

The poll — which surveyed 5,983 Britons during late March, including 2,031 straight women and 1,517 straight men — found that 48% of all respondents had positive views of bisexual people and only 8% had negative views. The remaining percentage had neither a positive nor a negative view of bisexuals.

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When the survey asked straight women and men why they were unwilling to date a bisexual person of the opposite sex, most (16% and 19%, respectively) said they “just don’t” or claimed, “It’s just a preference.”

A nearly similar portion, 17% of straight women and 16% of straight men, said they felt like bi people are more inclined to cheat, or that they themselves would feel insecure that they’d be unable to provide a bi partner whatever they get from a same-sex partner.

Interestingly, 9% of straight women said they feel disgust or discomfort towards men with same-sex experiences, 8% worried about possible sexual health risks, and 10% of straight men said they considered bisexuality to be either religiously or morally “wrong.” Approximately 12-13% of all straight respondents said they just wanted their dating partner to be heterosexual.

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[–] 116 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I remember when I was a teen trying to figure myself out I came out to my parents as gay and they were supportive. But eventually I had a couple of girlfriends and after I had brought one of them home mom told me I should pick one team and stick with it because bi guys are icky.

She said it in such an offhand way that she probably doesn't remember, but that's the kind of thing that sticks with you. She believed that bisexual men were willing to fuck anything without standards which would lead to me being either deranged or diseased.

Joke's on her though: I'm so bad at picking teams I didn't even grow up to be a man

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  • I don't even intend to come out to my family. (That statement does not only apply to my orientation.) And it wouldn't help that they've never seen me in relationship with someone not perceived as a woman. (Although I've been perceived as a gay man at some times for reasons I don't really know.)

    What was I trying to say? That I sympathise with you.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago

    Any bisexual man knows this. Painfully.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    I never understood the bi hate. Even before I ever met a bi person, it seemed easy to understand - they're sexually attracted to either gender. Whether or not someone is a cheater type is completely separate and has nothing to do with it.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    For real. It's like saying people who like all hair colours are gonna cheat because their partner has only one hair colour. It's just not how that works.

    —A poly bi woman

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    (Joke comment.) If I count facial hair, I have several hair colours. I won't be cheated on by my partn... oh, I'm the bi poly one in the couple, and she only has one colour. (Or two, because of our age.) Shit I'm essetially condemned to cheat on her with a rainbow wig. (End of the joke.)


    Yeah, and strangely none among the cheaters and the cheating apologists I personnally know claimed to be anything other than mono cishet. Strange (sarcasm) how direspectful and harmful behaviour linked to an expression of power are most seem in the dominant group.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    I think some people see cheating as not an attribute of the cheater, but rather an attribute of the person they cheat with. As in, they think that anyone would cheat if a sufficiently attractive person came along. And thus for bi people the chance is twice as high.

    On the other hand, if you managed to get in a relationship with a bi person, shouldn't you feel doubly confident, since you were chosen from twice as large a pool?

    Eh, I don't get it either

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    Maybe its insecurity wrapped up with thinking sex is the main driver in a relationship, and thinking a partner could have twice as many options that aren't you makes them feel even worse. I dunno.

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  • "thinking sex is the main driver in a relationship" Yeah, this belief is too widespread. I feel for ace folks. And for aro folks too, since the same take is often made about romantic love. (Disclaimer: I'm neither.)

    There are many potential driving factors in relationships. Can be sex, can be romantic love, can be another kind of love, can be trust, etc. Also, friendship is a perfectly valid kind of relationship too.

    It can also be harmful things in the case of toxic relationship. Example: being convinced one's partner will cheat because they're bi. But as such relationships mostly bring harm, they're best avoided. (Not easy because of psychological control/domination mechanics.)

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    sex is the main driver in a relationship

    Is it?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Sex can be the main driver in a relationship, but generally isn't. In my experience, we spend less than an hour getting down, and the rest of the day doing other stuff while relating.

    But I've been in, and seen others in booty-call relationships where their parter comes over to fool around and then leaves once everyone is satisfied, usually after a light snack or a smoke.

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  • [–] [S] 67 points 1 month ago* (22 children)

    I’ve observed this in some women’s groups over time - this aversion to bisexual men - and it’s always so disappointing to see it come up. There are women I’ve had to pull away from because of these views that bisexual men are somehow tainted or too feminine or whatever flavor of homophobic reasons they use to reject people based on an immutable trait.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    There is so much internalized biphobia in our society. A lot of men sexualize bi women and think dating one means they will get threesomes. On the other side, a lot of women are convinced that bi men are twice as likely to cheat, or that they will eventually leave you for a man. And this kind of biphobia is present as well within the LGBTQ+ community, this is not inherent to straight people.

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  • [–] [S] 45 points 1 month ago

    You’re right, biphobia is not found in straight people alone. I’ve been rejected within my own community because I’m bisexual and not a “gold star” lesbian. It stings even more that way to be honest.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    And what sucks is I've seen multiple times, men are generally more guilty of their homophobic views than women. Women will show a surface level support(most men don't do that) but they are almost as homophobic, and blatantly so when given a chance to open up.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure men feel more guilty about their homophobic views, they're just more upfront about them lol

    Yes, it is distressing to join up with other women thinking they are a safe space and come to find out they hold beliefs that are inherently biphobic. Even if they feel like their views only extend to bisexual men, it does extend to all bisexuals.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago*

    It's that men generally exaggerate their homophobia to fit in groups, whereas women hide theirs better till they're in places where they feel their views would go unchallenged. Also yeah, comparing men's homophobia and women's is comparing apples to oranges.

    It's like, they are more guilty, but they better be for the kind of shit they've said.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    I've dated bi guys, and my main objection is they didn't inform me prior (except for one, and he really was promiscuous, and didn't inform me about that), then wondered why I had a problem when I learned of their boyfriends, after months or years of unprotected sex.

    These things stayed with me and put me off BI guys, altogether. It's not fair, but it's unfair to me to put myself through it again, after all that, so im simply not. There's too much baggage after too many years.

    That said, I have been volcel almost four years because straight men are the same, and I'm sick of dealing with doting mothers who encourage bad behaviour, and mothers whose children can't do anything right and are dammed if you do, dammed if you don't, either... Including mine.

    In a world where intense couples counseling and willing partners were to be found (rather than those few who appear willing for appeasement, wasting time, effort, money), I may, or not. But I can navigate friendships easier because of no emotional investment in romance, so it's just better that way. Plus I prefer monogamy.

    Iow, it's complicated.

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  • [–] [S] 33 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    I’ve dated bi guys, and my main objection is they didn’t inform me prior (except for one, and he really was promiscuous, and didn’t inform me about that), then wondered why I had a problem when I learned of their boyfriends, after months or years of unprotected sex.

    I'm honestly asking - do you require straight men to be forthright about how many women they slept with previously? Why not ask for a recent STI panel instead of their sexual history?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    I said nothing about "previously."

    I said they didn't inform me they were bi, didn't inform me they're promiscuous (promiscuity being in common with straights).

    And I have asked for mutual testing, which didn't stop the ones who agreed from cheating and being caught.

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    they didn’t inform me prior

    Apologies, this is what I read as "previously". That they didn't inform you before you started sleeping with them, not that they were cheating on you or not disclosing they were continuing to sleep with others.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I have a right to know if a potential partner is bi, just as they have the right to know I'm cis. This is how honest conversations about expectations for any relationship that may develop begin. And I get that it's probably not appropriate at the first or fourth date, and why people may not want to disclose that. Just like I get relationships are built on trust, but that leap of faith has to happen sometime, or just disclose that it doesn't seem a compatible match. 🤷‍♀️

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    I think the only problem I have with any of this is assuming all bisexual men will act the same because they are bisexual. Or because they're men. I do still believe everyone has a right to date whom they want to be clear.

    I feel uneasy with that first line "I have a right to know if a potential partner is bi". I have to sit with that for a minute before I can fully explain why that makes me uncomfortable.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I think you would have to have a deep cultural understanding of the rural deep south village of a couple of hundred deeply indoctrinated people. In a perfect world, it would be different. In a different community or location it may be different.

    It's not any of those and every failure and all the work gets dumped on women anyway, when when people know it's the man's proclivities. This is still the times women who go nowhere and have no friends are expected to "agree" she infected her man, rather than her promiscuous man infecting her and still don't know where it came from, and will continue to infect women knowing they're infected because, "a man's going to be a man."

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    As someone fully entrenched in the PNW corner of the US, that may be exactly where our differences in views come from.

    Even if men are more likely to be cheaters, it’s still against all of my own held beliefs to treat all men as if they are cheaters. It’s a difference in systemic behaviors vs the individual. We can talk about the propensity for men to cheat, that our society ignores or otherwise condones men cheating, without assuming every single man will cheat.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    i'd say that people are allowed to decide who they're sexually attracted to. you can't ask a person B to be attracted to person A, e.g. if person A is bi.

    protection against discrimination applies at different levels, especially to be treated right by the law (state) and employer (especially if it's a big enough company). but people can still choose who they spend time with in their free time.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yes, people have every right to choose who they spend time with, but if they are choosing to reject all people of a specific group because of their sexual orientation, it is still a preference rooted in homophobia. Whether they're conscious of it or not.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    All people have a right to be treated with honesty, dignity, and respect, and not disclosing how you identify before I decide to have sex with you or not is a part of that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    It's just too general and unrelated to actual relationship dynamics to make sense. If they don't tell you they're bi, you might never find out. If the reason for not wanting to date someone whos bi is that you're not comfortable with your partner finding the same people attractive that you do, then weird but I think that'd be something sorta valid.

    The reasons given are all on a scale of biphobia to just misunderstanding it (e.g. the insecurity). The more general answers might be personal hangups, but those too are likely rooted in a culture that sees bi people negatively.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago (46 children)

    Straight guy here from /all. Unfortunately, a big chunk of my cohort will have responded favorably because they are dreaming of a female partner that will gift them a threesome.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    When they get active about it, it's called unicorn hunting since women who are willing to threesome with a couple (or more exactly, with you and your partner) are rare like a unicorn.

    My ex-wife of twelve years is bi, but also strictly monogamous, and certainly not interested in threesomes.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 1 month ago (44 children)

    And they, too, are engaging in biphobia with that logic.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (43 children)

    Not sure that's how a "phobia" works.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (13 children)

    Sociology concepts named "something-phobia" are not the same thing as the similarly named concepts (classified in the "phobia" family) in psychology and psychatry.

    Usually, meaning can vary with context. The discussed field in such a context.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    So what you're saying is that enough people couldn't care less for the actual meaning of the word that we're all now supposed to accept it. Gotcha.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    "Chocolatine", "pain au chocalat", "croissant au chocolat", ou "petit pain"? (Edit to answer: all are valid, it is simply a regional dialect thing.) Is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable? (Edit to answer: it depends on the field. A vegetable in gastronomy, a fruit in biology, where "vegetable" doesn't even exist.)

    Your interventions on the topic of biphobia are as valuable as these pseudo-debates. Keep your language normative freezing for your own expression, instead of policing the language of other people, and diverting from the heart of the discussed topic (again, biphobia).

    EDIT: and I will not engage with you anymore.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    If someone meant something in particular by the words they used, your preference for different word definitions/usage does not change what they meant. So yeah, accepting that people mean what they mean is good, because the options are just understanding or not understanding.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Bi-phobia encompasses negative attitudes, beliefs, and behaviours towards bisexual individuals. It manifests in various forms, including erasure of bisexuality, stereotyping, harassment, and exclusion. This prejudice often stems from misconceptions and societal stigmas surrounding non-monosexual orientations.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    Encompasses negative attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors towards bisexual individuals.

    encompass verb

    1 : to include as a part of a whole or group

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    That's one part of the sentence, not the whole thing.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    So if I believe bi people are wonderful people, I now have a (non-negative) belief towards them. I am being biphobic?

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Straight guy here from /all. Unfortunately, a big chunk of my cohort will have responded favorably because they are dreaming of a female partner that will gift them a threesome.

    velma OP

    And they, too, are engaging in biphobia with that logic.

    potustheplant@feddit.nl

    Not sure that’s how a “phobia” works.

    Let's put this conversation into perspective.

    Men that date bisexual women because they think she will gift them a threesome because she is bisexual are leaning into harmful bisexual stereotypes. That is biphobia.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 month ago* (28 children)

    It's biphobic to assume that bisexual women all want threesomes.

    We can debate about if there's a better word for leaning into harmful stereotypes of bisexual people, but the closest term we have currently is biphobia.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    It’s biphobic to assume that bisexual women all want threesomes.

    would downvote if i could. potustheplant didn't say that "all women want threesomes", only that some men hope that some women want threesomes.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    His argument is that it isn't biphobia to assume bisexual women want threesomes because "phobia" means fear of.

    Those men are being biphobic if they are dating a bisexual person with the express interest of them being a sex doll willing to do threesomes with them because of their sexual orientation.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Those men in the example are also misogynistic at the same time.

    Nothing surprising, since different kinds of scorns, hates, discriminations, etc often come together.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    According to some of these comments, it's not discriminatory as long as it's a man desiring his partner to perform threesomes because it's positive discrimination or some shit like that.

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  • From what I know of the word "discrimination", potustheplant probably is pedantic about one specific definition of this word, which is the legalese one in some places : take the #2 definition in https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discrimination, then require that the author is a company or an administration (or any of their representatives).

    I looked at their post history, and they seem to often post condescending comments.

    Anyway, when responding to a critic of harmful behaviours, one should not forcefully displace the focus from said harmful behaviours to the pedantics of the vocabulary used to describe them. That's just a diversion tactic to avoid discussing the subject's core. Those who do it, like potustheplant : cease !

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  • [+] 2 points 1 month ago (23 children)
  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 month ago (22 children)

    Biphobia (monosexism) refers to stigma, prejudice, and discrimination toward those who are bisexual

    If prejudice doesn't always have a negative connotation, then the assumption that all bisexual women are into threesomes still falls under 'biphobia'.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

    When does a use different from the most ancient one stop being called a "misuse"? Especially talking about not a word, but its etymology?

    Pretty sure a significant quantity of the words you use were at some point described as "misuses", "mistakes", or something similar.

    I say that as someone who hates seeing/hearing scandals be called "something-gate" in reference to Nixon's Watergate scandal. Same with "something-ception" in reference to the movie Inception. So I understand the feeling, but this kind of take mostly contribute to elitism.

    What matters most in any language is the ability to communicate, not the conformity to a (potentially idealised) static snapshot of the language rules.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    "Well, in this case we already have a word with a prefectly appropriate meaning."

    For the common meaning of "biphobia"? Which preexisting word is perfectly appropriate to describe the exact same concept that the word "biphobia" was coined for?

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Bi-phobia encompasses negative attitudes, beliefs, and behaviours towards bisexual individuals. It manifests in various forms, including erasure of bisexuality, stereotyping, harassment, and exclusion. This prejudice often stems from misconceptions and societal stigmas surrounding non-monosexual orientations.

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  • [+] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)
  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Emphasis on the beliefs and behaviors towards bisexual individuals as well as stereotyping bisexual individuals.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Well, you're each focused a bit much on your own tree, but the one who is also seeing the forest is velma, not you.

    Your tree: "negative" applies to the entire sentence, including "beliefs" and "behaviors", not just "attitudes". Correct.

    velma's tree: the definition also includes stereotyping and prejudice stemming from misconceptions. Correct.

    The forest: that you don't consider an attitude or belief "negative" is immaterial when it has a negative effect on bi folks' well being or safety.

    Also, initiating a sexual relationship with a bi person because you wrongly believe based on your incorrect stereotype of bi people that this will lead to threesomes is something I would classify as negative behavior. Especially when the threesomes predictably don't materialize.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)
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    Here's another definition for you:

    Bi-phobia encompasses negative attitudes, beliefs, and behaviours towards bisexual individuals. It manifests in various forms, including erasure of bisexuality, stereotyping, harassment, and exclusion. This prejudice often stems from misconceptions and societal stigmas surrounding non-monosexual orientations.

    Stereotyping bisexual women as all wanting threesomes falls under the definition of biphobia.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It's pretty clear you didn't read the entire definition.

    I wouldn't classify people dating bisexual women with the express interest of more threesomes as a "positive attitude".

    Why do you think it's a positive for people to date bisexuals primarily for the type of sex they can provide?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Why would liking threesomes be negative? Or being promiscuous for that matter. Sounds like you’re being pretty prejudicial of that type of person.

    You pretty clearly did say that.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago (11 children)

    Word meanings also evolve over time and usage. They're not static.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    I mean if you're consistently wrong then yeah, I guess. Doesn't make you any less wrong though.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

    I'm so glad you came into this discussion to be pedantic about the kind of discrimination bisexual people go through. Good job, buddy.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    We're quite literally not talking about discrimination. Kinda noticing a pattern here.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    I’m sure all bisexual women really love it when men assume they’re into threesomes as performative sex dolls. It’s a really positive view of bisexual women that certainly doesn’t fall under the biphobia umbrella /s

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Not saying it's positive or ok, it's just not discrimination.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    It is biphobia. It is an assumption of someone based on their sexual orientation.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    That's prejudice. This is turning into the joey meme xd

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    Biphobia (monosexism) refers to stigma, prejudice, and discrimination toward those who are bisexual

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Quote without a source. Nice. Is that AI?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    No, it's not. I pulled it from here.

    Here's the definition from Wikipedia as well:

    Biphobia or monosexism is aversion toward bisexual people or bisexuality as a sexual orientation. Biphobic prejudice commonly presents as denial that bisexuality is a genuine sexual orientation, negative stereotypes about people who are bisexual (such as the beliefs that they are promiscuous or dishonest), or bisexual erasure.[1]

    The hatred of bisexual women is referred to as bimisogyny[2][3][4][5] or less commonly bisexism.[6][7]

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