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[–] 94 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I wonder if Trump will try his clearly working strategy of escalating things and yelling threats.

Maybe he’ll say some other country is offering to open the strait of hormuz for cheaper and Iran will get scared and cave.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    after all: his strategy seems to be making a lot of people a lot of money. while ruining the lives of us american working class folk, and bombing schools full of middle eastern children.

    ain’t no war but class war, indeed. they know we’re “used to” gas prices like this, they’ll never go down again.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 month ago

    Iran was now seeking the release of the entire $24 billion in frozen Iranian assets upfront

    When you break your word twice a day, people will eventually figure out that your promises mean nothing.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    This all sucks. We're in the same situation as Russia. The strongman in charge can't afford to admit defeat, and he doesn't care about the cost, so there's no end in sight. Something needs to happen to end this...

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Republicans could end this any minute with majority in all three branches. They support the coverups, the bribes, the war, the reckless loss of lives, the reckless loss of American lives, and the pedophilia.

    Yet, if you say the USA would be better off if all republican representatives, the ones responsible for this mess, disappeared today the USA would be in a better place. People will call you a fascist. It is a simple truth, one that many can't or won't accept.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yep... it's dumb to negotiate and try to play hardball if you don't have the upper hand.

    Fart of the Deal indeed

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago

    Just a reminder that we had an agreement with Iran before all of this, and by all accounts, it was working and Iran was adhering to it.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    the price was raised by TRUMP, his insistence that the conflict continue as long as epstein files isnt on peoples search results, or airwaves.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago

    Iran and the US had earlier agreed on a memorandum setting out a pathway towards a permanent settlement. The understanding included demands for the lifting of US oil sanctions, removal of the US naval blockade on Iranian ports, the unfreezing of Iranian assets abroad and an end to fighting on all fronts, including Lebanon. The agreement later unravelled, with both sides accusing each other of violating its terms.

    Mohebi said Iran was now seeking the release of the entire $24 billion in frozen Iranian assets upfront, rather than receiving the funds in stages before and during negotiations.

    "The issue of Yemen was not on the agenda of the previous agreement. We are now demanding that the lifting of the blockade on Yemen be included in the agreement," he said.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    US is incapable of peace with Iran. The only outcome will be US just leaving, as donald the brave victory retreat. Iran doen't have a BeM demand. It has an Al Ansarah (Yemen) sanctions lifting demand, and cash upfront for any deal.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    The issue of Yemen was not on the agenda of the previous agreement. We are now demanding that the lifting of the blockade on Yemen be included in the agreement," he said.

    There's absolutely no way we can outblockade the Houthis...

    They live and operate in cave networks that our best bombs can't get to, and we wasted them already anyways...

    They just sit in there making their own drones from raw materials, the only component they need is a gps unit. When their original leader was found, the only way to get him out was fill his tunnel with gas and set it on fire. Every last member is equally willing to die today or live 60 more years in a cave and then die the same way.

    Mohebi rejected the suggestion that the Houthis were acting on instructions from Tehran. He said the Houthis "makes its own decisions and does not need to coordinate with us for anything in the world".

    That's also bullshit, Iran funds and controls multiple groups like the Houthis.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 month ago (27 children)

    Well diarrhea donny just raised the stakes again telling the Iranian Islamic Republic (in front of the rest of the world) that he is considering killing them all

    Unlike the kiddy diddler, those people are hardened fanatics and find honour in death... shit is just going to be worse and worse

    Thank you Muricans... your dumbassery will be painful (if not deadly) for the entire world and we only have you to thank for it

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    How is that not a war crime in itself?

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  • [+] -16 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Because there is no such thing as a war crime. I wish this myth would die already, all it does is placate people into accepting war.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    War crimes are definitely a thing. With a long history of definition and, you know, multiple international agreements.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    And just as long of a history of them being completely ignored with zero accountability. It just mollifies and tricks unsuspecting soldiers into engaging in more warfare.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    What a weird take.

    Like, I actually broad agree with you on the idea that the laws of war can serve to sanitize warfare as a concept in the public mind. There's a real danger that in creating these largely meaningless constraints for ourselves we make warfare seem more appealing as an option. "Our wars will be good wars, only bad people will get hurt."

    But "tricks unsuspecting soldiers into engaging in more warfare" is a take so bizarre I can barely parse it.

    Do you think that soldiers just, like, group up in platoons, hold a quick vote and decide together to invade Iraq?

    Wars are political decisions. They're made by national governments, most of which are elected by the citizenry of those nations. Soldiers don't decide to start wars, any more than they decide to end them. We do. The people. And we get to make that choice with the luxury of being largely isolated from its consequences, while our soldiers are forced to face many of those consequences head on.

    I'm not gonna sit here and say that everyone who ever joined a military is a saint, but the idea that soldiers are the ones starting wars is just plainly absurd. Militaries don't start wars, people start wars. All of us, collectively. We don't get to shirk that responsibility.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    If the UN was actually dedicated to peace keeping they'd have arrested his ass for that shit.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (12 children)

    I am not my government, nor have i ever felt anything like "patriotism" at any point outside the Olympics, and that's always as fleeting as whichever event I am watching.

    Much as Iranians aren't their government, Chinese aren't theirs, etc etc. Despots gonna despot.

    And if you think he actually got voted in this most recent time then I've got some bridges for sale in Brooklyn for a great price if you're interested.

    ETA: Hard-line religious repressive governments and the CCCP genociding Uyghrs(sp) are what I'm referring to, nothing more.

    Also I'm dumb

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    That's not how a democracy works. And if you argue against it, then it's not a democracy any more

    In the end, I don't think the rest of the world believes that this is all down to one person called Trump any more. This is down to the whole population and will require many generations of intentional cultural change to reverse.

    The USA is lost to most of its allies, not because of Trump alone but because things there can unpredictably change very dramatically every 4 years

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (6 children)

    I hear the truth of what you're saying, but then by that same logic may you be blamed for all the ills of your government.

    In the face of reality, that logic only applies to a few. Especially when our system was purchased by oligarchs when Millennials as a generation were infants. Our say began during the market collapse of 2008. Is it really my fault, or was my power to vote outweighed by corporate interests through no fault of my own - especially having lived and voted in MY and as close to social-humanism as my options would allow, respectively.

    I don't deny we are no longer reliable as a nation, but please don't conflate normal citizens with governments. Its bad for everyone.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    Why is entire Russia cut off from SWIFT then, if the war is due to the doings of despots and oligarchs? Why was the whole Iran under sanctions for decades?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Well I can tell you that I didn't put any sanctions on anyone. Nor have i made any international trips (Caribbean honeymoon cruise notwithstanding) or deals in my life.

    Why are they under sanctions? Take a look at the discussions those oligarchs and despots in the US were having and please again note that I voted as much against corporate interests and corruption as my ballots would allow. If I was out-voted, am I truly to blame?

    And if all these are such big issues in your life, what have you done to fix them?

    Blaming people like me for the ills of the government I have disagreed with since the time I truly learned how it functioned is genuinely unhelpful; you are berating the only people in this sad excuse for a country who genuinely want to improve things for everyone because we do see the potential the US had and utterly squandered in the name of profits for a few.

    We were sold the lie harder than anyone else. We fought against the lies in what ways we could. I've faced down lines of riot police firing tear gas into crowds alongside my father. I have put myself on the line against this oppression. Now I generally keep to myself and protect my babies as best I am able, which is beginning to feel increasingly futile.

    So please, again, explain to me why I'm the bad guy for what the people I very specifically have voted and physically stood against every time I can have done and how its entirely the fault of me and people like me.

    Edit: missing words.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Wow, a whole lot of text there. All of that will be of just as much interest to the world as who voted against Putin in Russia. Trump is still the elected emperor last I checked.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Then you shoot him in the head.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Ah yes, the usual, someone else needs to solve your problem for you. The problem that USians created and imposed on the world. But we also have to sympathize with USians about them not being able to get rid of the problem that they created.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    A more measured response: it is not my responsibility to educate every ignoramus in my country. For you to suggest all the problems of my country are my fault is either incredibly stupid or incredibly disingenuous, especially when I'm on super lefty Lemmy. Clearly I agree with most of the sentiments here otherwise I'd be on Truth Social and Facebook spouting about how Murica's da greatest.

    So please explain to me why, by your own logic, I shouldn't blame you for the bullshit going on in the EU or in the middle east or wherever the fuck you're from? You live there, its entirely your fault.

    Or that's disingenuous and stupid. Don't be that.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Much as Iranians aren't their government, Chinese aren't theirs, etc etc. Despots gonna despot.

    People on Lemmy need to actually internalize this fact^

    Thank you for thinking that way and saying it "out loud".

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Oh, he got voted in by enough people to make this rapist, childfucking, insurrectionist garbage human president the second time. There is no functioning mechanism to prevent such things or to reverse course when things are obviously fucked, and that is the fault of every american alive, regardless of patriotism. It's not limited to a single generation either - this shit has been going down since at least Nixon, who got away scot free, and Reagan, who also didn't suffer any consequences for the Contra affair.

    Every American alive - minus Gen Z / Alpha at the moment, but i am sure they will carry the torch on - is part of a system that has been running amok for more than half a century, and was neither willing to consistently vote for representants that respect the rule of law nor demand that the rules are changed in a way to prevent a fascist takeover.

    It's just like with genocide - if you don't speak out against it, you support it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Every American alive - minus Gen Z / Alpha at the moment,

    Most of Gen Z were 18+ in 2024, they're already carrying the torch.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    They still aren't the main part of the population, and the younger voters seem to lean more free-thinking for now. We will see how it develops with them in the next decade, but i have the feeling that they (similar to GenX) are not approving of the gerontocratic power grab we are seeing today, which might actually pit them against the worst of GenX and the Millenials. I for myself, as a late GenX, am pretty ashamed of the people in my generation who adapted to the system, instead of going what their generation actually stood for: Punk and revolt against the encrusted establishment.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    "Hardened fanatics" shut the fuck up, chauvinist. The Iranian people are not fanatics.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    No one is talking about the Iranian people. The Iranian people do not make decisions for Iran

    The IRGC leadership are who we're talking about. They hold near complete power over Iran, thanks to Trump's war. IRGC leadership are, generally, fanatics willing to make extreme decisions

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The blockade of the Persian Gulf does not exist anymore. A carrier was hit by a missile and they pulled back 500km. They should just leave, it is only showing more and more weakness. The only thing the GOP knows is doubling/tripling/quadrupling down on being wrong. They usually can buy their way out or litigate until the other party runs out of money and gives up, but the military is powered by people and they don't understand people.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    What the US is doing has nothing to do with Republicans vs. Democrats. This imperialism is all we do. To blame the 'GOP' for this instead of the US is to admit you don't care what's causing these sufferings.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    The war is spiraling out of control. Europe, China, and Russia should get together and negotiate with Iran. Iran will trust them more.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Russia is too busy attacking Europe and China is weighing up invading Taiwan while everyone is too distracted and short of weapons to do anything about it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    The war in Iran affects Russia and China. China gets much of its oil from Iran. If the Iranian regime falls and a pro-Western government takes over, it will make Russia uneasy having such a neighbor.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Iran: I have changed the terms of the deal, pray I don't change them even more.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    So it's going to keep being a war then until the military follows through on the threat?

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