• No parking

  • Single-stair buildings

  • A street width most fire departments wouldn’t allow

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[–] 104 points 1 month ago (12 children)

It would be illegal to build anywhere in Europe today as well. This is medieval street. Modern stuff isn't built to be cozy. Even 19th century avenues were planned in a way that you could charge with calvary at the unruly masses.

That said, modern developments often do have nice outdoors as well but its usually more in the open.

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  • [+] -19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

    But unlike in America, it still wouldn't be legal to drive through and run those people over.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    although i have never been to the usa, i am fairly certain that, despite its flaws, it is illegal to run people over with a car over there. Probably anywhere on earth

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Since the BLM protests some states have made laws that allow motorists to run over anyone if they are not legally crossing and are blocking them (i.e. protestors but really it means anyone in a road or street who might be inconveniencing a right-winger in their car).

    Have you ever heard of castle doctrine? It's like that but with a car instead of a gun.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Depends on your income. Enough wealthy people get away with vehicular manslaughter with a few months of domiciliary arrest, that it is essentially a meme in the US legal system. While a poor person of color would get shot at on the spot by police for knocking on the wrong door. Land of the free…etc.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Yeah even without the BLM Death Race laws, hardly anyone ever goes to jail for killing/injuring people with their car. Hell even people who kill others while under the influence very often won't get charged with vehicular homicide.

    Remember that little "Afluenza" twerp from about 10 years ago who got a slap on the wrist after killing a bunch of people while driving drunk? The judge ruled "He's rich and therefore it's in his nature ("Afluenza") to do stuff like that, so he can't be held criminally liable."

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    It's still a crime, just one that can have the punishment reduced to a fine

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    If it can be paid with a fine. Then it is not a crime, it is a paid event with a premium entry fee.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It's still a crime, and usually has jail time

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  • [–] 60 points 1 month ago (43 children)

    Looks like a nightmare for many wheelchair users.

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  • [+] -71 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (42 children)
  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Do you think that the only people that use wheelchairs got there because of gun violence, bombs in the middle east, and health issues related to less healthy food?

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  • [–] 49 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    They have plenty of wheelchair users, you just don't see them because it's so inaccessible they're stuck at home.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's hard to make a neighborhood accessible if the whole thing was built 500 years ago so I assume tons of places in southern Europe will have problems. Finland, on the other hand, is very accessible and last I checked, still in Europe.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Of course, and it’s fantastic to keep for its historical value. But OP is talking about developing modern spaces like this. Like 500 years of human activity didn’t create a few safety concerns along the way

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    That’s fucking crazy bro. Please tell me you’re a teenager. This is definitely the world view of someone who is probably peeking in physical shape right now. It’s a long road down life buddy get ready for those knees to hurt.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    One of the few things I, as an American, feel comfortable making fun of Europeans about is how inadequate their ada accessibility is.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    ADA in Europe lol May I suggest checking what that first A stands for….

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Right. For a group of people who spend a lot of time developing digital rights; you guys could probably use a bit more disability rights ya know?? Maybe that’s why there’s so many psychopaths in the comments that can’t understand how people end up in wheelchairs or disabled? I’m certainly noticing a theme here in the comments.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    Bruh. You just called out a disabled person for other people's comments/actions. I know you have some brain in there, since you're on Lemmy, but come on.

    Edit: Oh my god. You double commented too. Wth

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Trying to enforce weird norms like no double comment.... its an international platform, people are going to communicate in all types of ways. Some really odd chronically online behavior. Ima triple comment if i still got something to say that popped into my head after i post. Have you never heard or talked to someone with ADHD?? Or anyone disabled at all. Im waiting to hear what you thought i said.... and im already guessing you dont understand sarcasm due to being a perpetual internet being.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I don't downvote just because of hot takes, but I do double down. The triple comment is crazy. You do you.

    Also, was busy. I'd love to be perpetually online, but can't.

    As for missing sarcasm. I was trying to call the first guy disabled to tie into a different joke payoff, but that chance has been murdered in cold blood from being taken too seriously.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago*

    The triple comment is crazy? Bro I’ve been kidnapped over a quarter pound of weed. US$1000. They were gonna kill me over it. That’s crazy. A triple comment is a way to express a large amount of information, or hear me out, separate two separate questions / comments in logical order. I’ve got a lot of crazy things in my life, but none of them involve commenting on the Internet.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Huh?? Are you talking about the thread where the guy said the Iraq war was how people ended up in wheel chairs?? Was I the disabled person I called out?? Not the double comment oh nooo! People have ADHD too! Yes, I am mentally and physically disabled. Sometimes people who are not Neurotypical we communicate differently than people who are. I’m pretty sure you’re having a reading comprehension problem as well but if you’d like to point out what I said, I’d be happy to respond to it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    There’s another discussion on lemmy about why right wing populism is rising. It seems like a lot of of you guys clung to those Nazi views about the infirm and disabled. Just sayin’

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    about why right wing populism is rising

    Because the center bothers only to block the left, and therefore the quite valid anger at the capitalism status quo gets pushed to the right.

    Also, most European right wing parties are to the left of the US Democrats, so comparing them is pretty silly.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Ya you guys just invented fascism and Nazism, we inspired it with Jim Crow, which was inspired by your colonies, we went on to work on our own stupid version which is on full display right now. Let’s see how Germany does with the AfD shall we??

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    "you guys"?

    Buddy, I'm an American who emigrated to Spain.

    Nazism took major points from the American south - there's a decent argument that the Redeemer governments that put in Jim Crow were the first proto-fascists.

    Let’s see how Germany does with the AfD shall we

    Yeah, Germany is once again trying to imitate the US. Its automobile sector became rapidly outdated by missing the boat on EVs . . . and so now they're trying to push a defense sector to substitute. Pretty USA in the 1980s actually.

    The EU has some major things to fix - and German defacto leadership is one of the first, along with removing the German reflexive bootlicking of the US.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Once again, I am just pointing out that you guys (which is you having fled the country), have your own right wing parties accumulating power under the same wealth inequality and financial levers. The USA just has a more mature version but it’s something you’re gonna get to enjoy very soon. So while you sit and point, the finger at us keep ignoring your own little homegrown shit bags, and see what happens.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    The USA just has a more mature version but it’s something you’re gonna get to enjoy very soon

    Dude, I'm in Spain. Do you think Spain is unfamiliar with the costs that right wing psychos put on the population? I assure you, it is not.

    So while you sit and point, the finger at us keep ignoring your own little homegrown shit bags

    Except nobody is ignoring them. But to claim that the idea that Vox might get a minority position in parliment while the center falls is identical to the US, where your right wing Dems are unable to stop the extreme right wing GOP from controlling the entire government, is simply to show you don't understand what these things are.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    ADA= Americans with Disabilities Act? So you expect other countries to obey your legislation? There's a surprise.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Na I honestly expected yall to have an older and better version of the law. All you got is smugness tho.

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    Alot of Europe whent with America during Afghanistan. Fewer for iraq. Most of the problems in the middle east trace back to disisions made in France or Britain.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yes and everyone in a wheelchair got their due to war. Obviously there’s no other medical reason to be in a wheelchair other than participating in a war.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I was only commenting on the part mentiond about Americans and forever wars. The Europeans have had wars for just as long. That's not a reason America has better accessibility.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I’m pretty sure McDonald’s and diabetes did more damage to Americans than all the forever wars. That’s what I’m saying. It’s a pretty fucking minuscule part of the global disabled population. It’s like completely irrelevant is what I’m trying to point out.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Go to any image search and you will find dozens of pictures from Melbourne, Australia of outdoor dining in car free laneways (alleys) though with proper pedestrian access and accessibility. Imagine trying to get through that place in a wheelchair. There is a market for car free spaces anywhere in the world, even in car cultures like Australia. Given an opportunity people vote with their wallets on these things.

    Focusing on medieval streets reinforces the idea that modern cities can not have nice places. They often have lots of great spaces which are under utilized or used poorly. Pedestrianizing those under utilized spaces like alleys can revitalize a local economy.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I ate at a place in Pasadena that was similarly laid out and it was great.

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    Pretty much everywhere on Colorado Blvd (Route 66) is like that when you get towards downtown. Any Asian restaurant you pick will probably be fucking lit due to its proximity to the San Gabriel Valley (largest Asian population in the US).

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    Have you tried Bar Sinziki? Friend took me there when I was in town

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/tyFZ6RN4Vpc9BHPV9

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    Nah, never heard of it. I probably spent more time in Pasadena than anywhere else in Los Angeles because I've been to music festivals at the Rose Bowl a few times. Pasadena is really cool. I think about moving there sometimes.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Now all I can think of is a cop car just smashing through that alley, like every chase scene in the 80’s

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Chasing a brown kid that was smoking a joint probably. The kid was later filled with 38 bulltes. The police officer is a hero

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  • [–] 44 points 1 month ago*

    In the U.S. you can rape children (and adults) and be the president. So I don't think there's much value in comparing things to their legal status in the U.S.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I’m super anti-car. But the other 2 points are legitimate issues. Y a kitchen caught for you need multiple paths out and the ability for a crew to get to the scene. This street would still be charming of it was a few feet wider and wasn’t a death trap lol

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Europe usually has a more crews smaller units approach. For a built up area like this there would be be planing for how to stage and prepare for a fire. Knowing where the access points are and finding a way in. Most of the buildings in these areas may also have a service entrance for delivery and rubbish. being stone would limit the burnable material. The building also probably caught fire a few times already and survived.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I’m not worried about the building surviving lol. The danger is to the people with only 1 exit that could be blocked by fire. And suppose someone had a medical emergency here, getting help would take longer. I’m just saying, that taking safety into account isn’t the issue. Cars are the issue.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    privatization and gentrification on public space that pushes out residents of their own places .

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    I thought those were socks on clothes lines haha

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Don't they have that type of thing inside shopping centres and places like that?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    The only problem is that modern developmennts will make places like this mostly INSIDE shopping centres , university campuses, or stadiums or places like that.

    Very rarely do they ever make modern places like this OUTSIDE where you can see people walking by enjoying the day, meeting and greeting strangers who have common interests, or see your nervous neice waiting for their first date , or just taking in the public atmosphere and 'vibe' while outside.

    Most infrasructure created these days in north america and Europe , and even in place in the Global South that have started taking in a large amount of vehicles and cars in thhe previous decade like Vietnam, is more so car-centric rather than people-centric. The two newest public seating areas Ive seen built in the city Im in was built in a way so that you could see the beautiful sights.... of the highway right next to it... 😐

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    I'm pretty sure it's the stone buildings and street that make it charming. Three feet (one metre) of additional width would not remove the charm and emergency vehicles do not need access to pedestrian malls in the US.

    The only thing stopping an American developer from building this in the US is cost. We don't depreciate buildings over centuries, and neither do the Spanish. New developments in Spain look nothing like this.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    This is like 20 minutes from me in... America! First one of many that came to mind. Keep circle jerking though.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I had dinner at a place that looked almost exactly like this in New Orleans

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    OP just discovered that European cities are older than American cities but wasn't smart enough to realize it.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Spaniard love to eat outside for some reason. Sometimes you will see couple of small tables on a sidewalk right next to a busy street because people just prefer to sit outside, even if it not pleasant at all. Maybe it's because inside it's usually so noisy you can't have a conversation without shouting...

    Funny (well, funny enough) story: a friend was visiting me in Spain and as we were looking for a place to eat she goes "let's go to the port, we will be able to see the water". I was like "that's a weird priority... but ok". So we find a nice place in the port, sit down, I look around and the restaurant was full British people sitting on one side of the table looking at the sea.

    Weird how every nation is obsessed with some details others don't really care about.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Ya it’s super weird an island nation is would enjoy the sea. Super weird humans enjoy water. There’s a perfectly good crowded alleyway right there!!!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Look, I love the sea and water noises, but I can't stand the gulls or grackels (less common worldwide, but act like a cross between seagul and pigeon)

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I just cant stand the smell of freshwater marine life.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Not my adorable loving flying water rats!!! We love them so!!! Mischievous little gluttons they are.

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