What do y'all make of this?

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[–] 75 points 1 month ago

This isn't news to anyone that's paid attention over the years. Nearly every game that had Denuvo and removed it sees a measurable performance bump. Way more than what general optimizations would do, despite what the developer/publisher and the online propaganda repeaters always claim.

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  • [–] 134 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Denuvo's CEO (I think it was) tried to explain that it couldn't impact performance, but that's basically impossible. They are pushing parts of the game through a VM and doing encryption/decryption on the fly. That's going to generate significant overhead. Whether it were to get pushed to GPU over CPU, blah blah, their DRM is still adding additional hoops for the machine to jump through.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Even if it were incredibly straightforward and performant, it's still impossible to add no overhead. Is the process doing something? Ok, then something else has to not happen in that time

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    That's not strictly true, since your frame rate could be either CPU or GPU limited. If your process is light and running on the thing that has compute to spare, well then it's running on "free" compute time.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I guess, but it isn't shifting between GPU or CPU depending on what's free. It might happen to not have a significant effect (heat is still an effect), but doesn't know.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    No I'm just saying that, as a concept, it's fair to say you can add a background process without impacting game performance. I'm not at all saying that's what is happening here, it's obviously not. Generally speaking, if your game isn't hitting the maximum refresh rate on your screen, it's probably GPU limited, but there can be games that are CPU limited, like flight simulators. It seems like this process is adding so much to the stack that it's got a huge effect.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This just in: Doing something takes longer than not doing that thing. Only Denuvo stupid enough to act surprised.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Denuvo CEO: "Well, actually, it makes things faster. We streamline the process through several other processes to output the same result. We like to think of it as a fun multiplier. That's how Denuvo math works here."

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  • [–] 49 points 1 month ago

    Never buy a game until denuvo is removed.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    """"It does not affect performance""""

    - commented by many shills all over the internet

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Which is obvious bullshit

    Any additionally software and or layers will affect performance, be it by a few clock cycles to 100%, but some performance will be lost; its just a matter of how much. Its the same with a car; every piece you add to it will increase weight and decrease performance.

    Saying its 0 is automatically bullshit and in this case its an outright lie

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago

    "What do y'all make of this?"

    No surprise at all, it's well known that Denuvo has a major performance impact.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago

    Corporate malware is corporate malware.

    Water is wet.

    Things tend to fall downward.

    -yawn-

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Did Ubisoft actually remove Denuvo from a game or is this some cracked version?

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I haven't had time to look into it so take this with a grain of salt, but I believe it was like a test version of the game that leaked? Someone please weigh in if they know better.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Voices38 has been systematically removing Denuvo from every game they get into their hands - these are 1A cracked games

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Isn't this a single player game too?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Yeah. Denuvo is DRM, not anti-cheat.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I don't think they mean they want to cheat, just that they would expect a single player game to be offline entirely and maybe a dose of "fuck you I bought this it's mine". Could be wrong tho

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I was thinking along the lines of wondering why a single player game would need anti-cheat.

    Required online check-ins and similar were a thing before Denuvo came on the scene, so I didn't even consider that aspect. Especially since the online portion of Denuvo is secondary to the encryption crap.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    i dont buy video games that uses Denuvo (and maybe from companies/developer that use it too),
    i dont want that malware on my PC,
    also am fine with a developer/company using it on one or a few games and removing it on those games.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    How has Denuvo even managed to convince the AAA market to purchase it's products when they are cracked almost immediately anyway?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago

    Because they weren't being cracked AT ALL for the better part of a decade. There has been an entire generation of crackers failing to crack Denuvo until the start of 2026, and I'm pretty sure that the actual cracks being released today would not be possible without the Hypervisor workaround being developed first.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    Most games make the largest amount during the first week or two, so if it takes longer then that for someone to crack it, then it was probably worth it to the publishers. I don’t follow all the denovo news, so maybe with the new hypervisor stuff this is a moot point, but most games haven’t been cracked immediately.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    why even bother playing aaa trash. it's garbage even without the performance of crippling junk they throw in

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  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    I mean people play what they enjoy and not everybody cares about chasing frames.

    Denuvo making games run worse is fucking garbage, but two things can be true at once.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    We would have much better games overall if people actually had a lick of restraint.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Unlikely, most gamers are kids, most kids are totally agnostic to anything beyond the consumption of games.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    That's just false. Most gamers are adults and if we narrow that to just PC, you will find the average age is over 30.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I've seen other comparisons that found little difference between RUNE cracked version and the official Ubisoft version with Denuvo.

    This comparison is between RUNE and voices38, so the only thing you can infer from this is that voices38 crack is worse than the Ubisoft version.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Would you mind sharing those comparisons?

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