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Huawei says its new smartphone chip is entirely free of any US-made components (www.techradar.com)
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[–] 21 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Richard-D-Wolff

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    ?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Richard "big dick" Wolff is an expert on worker coops. Huawei is one

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    • [–] 20 points 1 month ago

    good job huawei.

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    [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    Love me some freedom!

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    [–] 15 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    I can't wait until HarmonyOS becomes global.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    we need something free and open, instead of moving from being dominated by one country to being dominated by another country

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Isn't HarmonyOS closed? I'd rather not jump from a bad ship to a worse one

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    to a worse one

    This seems to be quite the leap. Elaborate?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Closed = very bad

    Android is open source, so you can at least make your fork and find a way to load it on phones that support bootloader unlocking, while harmony is closed so you cannot do that which is objectively worse

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    As others have said harmony is setup exactly the same as android, open source OS on which a closed source customized flavor is built. It's exactly as bad or not bad as android is in this regard. The flavor being in control of a Chinese corporation instead of an American one is another issue.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    That's reasonable thank you. I suppose I always took androids open source nature to be largely "theoretical"(?) given googles controlling stake and simply the nature of the mobile market where effectively every android device is running googles proprietary version. HarmonyOS is in reality in the same boat given it has OpenHarmony in parallel to HarmonyOS in the same way AOSP is parallel to Android.

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    • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    I mean... yeah? US blocked sales of damn near every US component to Huawei. What else were they going to do besides not use US components?

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  • [–] [S] 27 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    The point here, which evidently went over your head, is that China now has the technological capability and supply chains to produce cutting edge electronics domestically end to end. No other country, including the US itself, is able to do that.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    Oh good grief why are you always so combative? I'm well aware that it's clearly an accomplishment - but it's also their only option besides go out of business so I don't know what the US expected to happen.

    Also erm... no, they aren't end-to-end domestically produced:

    The South China Morning Post noted Huawei is reducing reliance on advanced foreign semiconductor equipment

    More interestingly, while the Kirin is considerably less dependent on US or Western tech, it doesn't remove it from the equation entirely, and you still have to look closely at the bill of materials for receipts.

    SMIC's process, however, still leverages ASML immersion scanners.

    They're getting there, but if we go by what's in the article they don't have that capability yet.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Your "I mean... Yeah?" set the tone here.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    OP has a long history of being incredibly hostile (bordering on abusive) to any perceived criticism - I assume this is why they interpreted "my lack of surprise at an almost tautological result" as somehow being criticism of Huawei or China.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    Yeah but when you come in with a tone that is based on previous interactions rather than the current one, anyone who doesn't know the previous context is going to see you as the combatative and the other commenter as just matching your energy.

    Edit: Note that I don't think your original tone is the issue here, but how you acted like they were out of line for returning the energy felt very... tone deaf.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    I'm sorry, I'm not sure I'm following what you mean. I agree about my first comment (which I very much did not intend to be combative or critical of Huawei) - I think it's pretty clear it was too easy to misinterpret, but OP initially replied to me with an unwarranted degree of defensiveness / hostility which I then subsequently called out. I'm not sure I understand how that was me acting like they were out of line for returning the energy; they brought the energy which I then, to a less harsh extent, returned.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    They did aim theirs more directly at you but that first time I read the exchange it did feel like yours had a similar (though less stated) contempt for OP. I can see now that you didn't necessarily intend that tone to be directed at OP but rather about the situation itself, but that misinterpretation did feel like it was setting a hostile stage that OP's reply wasn't an excessive escalation over.

    And my last edit was just to say that even if you had intended that snark, it wasn't (IMO) an unacceptable amount to begin with, but then commenting on the hostility in the response (which I agree wasn't harsh itself) felt like you were playing the victim because someone fought back in a fight you started.

    Btw, this isn't an attempt to shame you or make you feel bad or anything. I'm only engaging with you about this because you did seem to be asking about the hostility in good faith and I could see why both of you were getting so many downvotes and upvotes from that exchange. Though not sure how useful my analysis will be here, considering it all started from a misinterpreted comment in the first place rather than intended hostility lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Ah I see, thank you for taking the time to explain! I'm a little curious how much of that perceived hostility in the initial comment was due to multiple unbiased people misinterpreting it in the same way, and how much of that was because they encountered it within the context of OP immediately responding with such over the top defensiveness (an example of the combative behavior I called out).

    Generally on lemmy you have to specify that you're responding to OP when making a top level comment ("Hey op, not to nitpick but [nitpick]" and similar), otherwise it's assumed you're replying to the post title or article. Given that, I'm not entirely sure why someone would assume I was attacking OP directly without the context of OP treating it as a personal attack (and no, to be clear it's just a response to the headline. I only noticed it was a YogPost™ when they responded).

    edit: Which is not to blame OP for the misinterpretation, just curious how that may have lead to further misinterpretation.

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    • [+] -16 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    This company is currently embroiled in ip theft legal issues and it’s not looking good for them.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    embroiled

    Anyone and any company can get 'embroiled' in anything.
    All it takes is accusing you of being a thief a pedo or whatever.
    And there you have Brkdncr 'embroiled' in a pedo case.

    This is nothing but the US sore losers using dirty tricks because they can't compete in the free market they love so much.
    Always with this excuse or national security/espionage.
    Pathetic

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    In what way? There are lots of countries outside of the US

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Not directly related but isn't this the same company who was caught stealing ip from Samsung on how to manufacture memory?

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    • [+] -17 points 1 month ago (8 children)
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  • [–] [S] 21 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    peak enlightened centrism on display

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago

    enlightened centrism (uncountable)

    (derogatory, politics) Centrism that is perceived as condescending because it treats all positions as equally valid or flawed without engaging with their actual merits, often positioning compromise or moderation as uniquely rational and above the fray.

    Usage notes

    This term is often used by both the left and right to criticize politicians and media figures who attempt to equally appeal to opposing viewpoints so that they can maximize their support, in a way that is seen as unprincipled or overly cautious.

    Not really the case here, or do you go by a different definition?

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    • [+] -11 points 1 month ago

    So it only spies a little, not a lot? Phew...

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    [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    As an American, I'm sold

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    [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    The chip powers the Mate XT 2, the third device in the company's tri-fold line, which starts at 19,999 yuan (~$2,980), and went on sale in China on September 12 2026.

    Ouch, 3k for a phone.

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