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[–] 31 points 1 month ago (15 children)

I understand his reasoning. He didn't want to lose out on a paycheck. I just think it's shitty reasoning considering he'll still have a net worth of hundreds of millions of dollars if he gets a couple tour dates cancelled over speaking out against injustice in the world.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (11 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (8 children)

    Yeah but you're claiming choosing money over human lives is an attempt at "staying neutral"... And that's how YOU understand things, when it's clearly not neutral or even parsable as an attempt at neutrality.

    So your understanding of "trying to stay neutral" is fucked.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    I'm claiming no such thing. We agree Sheeran made the decision to try to stay neutral to protect his brand, right? Then we understand his decision. It doesn't mean we agree with it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    We agree Sheeran made the decision to try to stay neutral to protect his brand, right?

    No. We don't, that's my point. It's not at all an attempt at staying neutral. It's an attempt at getting rich by being paid to deny a genocide and suppress discussion.

    Which is not a neutral act at all.

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  • [+] [S] -7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Well you seem to have information that no one else has.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    I don't see how, I'm going on the external facts (eg. The suppression of mentioning the 73,000 dead Palestinians), where as you've assumed Ed Sheeran is making a good faith attempt at neutrality (even though he's being paid by a billionaire).

    The pro-Israel funder who asked Ed to kick out Macklemore is named Robert Kraft. According to sources:

    Ed Sheeran performed at Robert Kraft's wedding in 2022 and called the Epstein files billionaire "super sweet"

    He's also super funding Ed Sheeran, and a super rich client Ed wants to keep performing for.

    You're saying to deny a genocide, in exchange for retaining the opportunity for future money... Is Ed attempting to stay neutral.

    THAT'S YOUR ASSUMPTION ABOUT ED...

    ...and it goes against known facts, which you can research yourself. Facts like, the funding sources and relationships and the death tolls of Israel (less than 2,000) compared to Palestine (73,000+).

    You can go do this research, as can Ed. But maybe you prefer neutrality denial. Denial of empathy.

    Or are you saying you empathize with his lack of empathy? Or love of money over humanity? Still pretty fucked things to empathize with.

    That was your term in the title right? Cognitive Empathy? You have Cognitive Empathy for Ed's decision making process to "stay neutral"?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    You're assuming AngryishHumanoid is assuming Ed Sheeran is making a good faith attempt at neutrality, but I read it more that they are observing that Ed Sheeran is making a decision on his business that he claims is a good faith attempt at neutrality, but then they are saying that the decision they have observed is shit.

    You two are using different definitions of the word "undertanding". AngryishHumanoid is saying they comprehend the decision, you're saying they agree with it. Both definitions are definitions of the word but the interpretation of the statement using those definitions is different.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    I don't control their poor word choices. They introduced the claim that Ed is "attempting neutrality" and that they (OP) have "Cognitive Empathy".

    I don't see it as an attempt at neutrality.

    These are not my chosen terms, I'm merely responding to the posters chosen terms and assumptions.

    I don't see Ed's decisions as "attempting neutrality"... And I don't understand having empathy for a lack of empathy (aka taking money to deny the genocide). I don't have empathy for that kind of "neutrality".

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's not a poor choice of words unless you are going out of your way to interpret it. The post literally talks about understanding and not agreeing. You have to bend over pretty backwards to claim that's me endorsing his position at all.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    Let's nail down the facts:

    1. Your post is claiming Ed is making a good faith attempt at "staying neutral".

    2. Your post title says you have "Cognitive Empathy" for this.

    Now is just 1 true, 1 & 2 true, or is just 2 true?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    I think you've introduced the concept of a "bad faith attempt at staying neutral"...

    ....but obviously "bad faith neutrality", is a contradiction in terms (because bad faith is by definition not neutral).

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  • But why say you understand? Everyone already understands. So instead of saying:

    I understand why he chose to blah blah blah he’s a greedy piece of shit who rather support a genocide than risk losing money.

    You can just say:

    He’s a greedy piece of shit.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago
    [–] 5 points 1 month ago*

    Here is my understand but not agree take on it:

    I don’t think he is an evil person, I think he is just far more meh and mediocre for the giant platform he has.

    Its not unfortunate that he is shitty, it’s unfortunate that someone like him has such a big platform.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I don't get why he's trying to stay neutral, do you mean because his billionaire friend who funded the tour is pro-Israel and he's choosing future money over the lives of men, women, and children?

    Do you really "understand" that as being "neutral"?

    Because it's not, and you, he, and his billionaire buddy all deserve the shit you're getting for claim that's staying neutral, or understandable. Grow up and join humanity.

    Do you understand Hitler as trying to stay neutral too?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    It's pretty ironic that it's EXACTLY this kind of backlash that he was trying to avoid. He's just missed the fact that neutrality when talking about genocide doesn't exist.

    He also, actually, very much DID take a stance. He tried to "both sides" it, completely ignoring the fact that one side has near infinite resources, access to SIGNIFICANTLY more advanced weaponry, and have openly declared their intentions to completely annihilate the other (AKA: genocide) while the other is on it's knees, bleeding out, begging for the children to be spared.

    It's like responding to a slap in the face, by setting someone's whole town on fire, and then justifying it with "well they started it"

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    I'm convinced there's a lot of Israeli propaganda to attack allies and muddy the water so it really looks like anyone not on Israel side is calling for it's destruction.

    Especially since the second it broke, there was a huge push to blame the guy who put Macklemore on the stage in the first place, and not the billionaires who threatened to cancel the biggest shows if the financial backers of the tour didn't kick Macklemore off.

    Like, even saying "at least also blame the people who did it" got me labeled an Ed Sheeran fan.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    People on this site kind of just want to use you for whatever argument they want to have. It's like being their "shower argument". Pretty masturbatory.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    That's not "staying neutral" though. That's the point. There is no neutral stance to take on genocide.

    Ignoring it and not talking about it is not neutral. Saying "it's complicated and I don't know enough" is not neutral. And removing an artist from your venue when threatened by stadium owning Zionist is definitely not neutral.

    There is no neutrality when it comes to a genocide. Inaction is taking a side.

    The problem isn't him "trying to stay neutral". The problem is that the world believes the lie that remaining silent during a genocide is a rational or respectable position.

    I'm not upset with you trying to understand the flawed rational of a millionaire artist with all the power and popularity to stand on the right side of history.

    I'm upset with you thinking that someone in that position can have a "neutral" stance. They can't. They're not a janitor or a high school teacher. They lost that privilege of "neutrality" when the world gave them a voice and a stage to speak. Not speaking against it, is siding with the genocide. It's thats simple.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Ultimately, trying to stay neutral during a genocide is unforgivable. Sure, it's better than actively supporting the genocide, but neither is acceptable. I understand it impacted his livelihood, which made supporting Palestine a more difficult choice to make for him than most people, but even then it needed to be an easy choice. The cons of a genocide easily outweigh the pros of any amount of money.

    Yes, his choice doesn't impact whether or not there is a genocide, but the only thing us non-world-leaders can do is say we don't support it, and so that is what we all must do. Solidarity is the only tool we have. Trying to say "I understand where they're coming from" as if there's a case to be made for him to choose his career over denunciation of an ongoing genocide only serves to insinuate that profit might in some circumstances justify genocide.

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  • You have no morals, you consider profit and the well-being of others to be of similar value so you think this is "neutral". I "understand" Ed Sheeran's position the same way I "understand" Bibi going extra hard and murdering even more aggressively to remain in power without too much inconvenience, or a thief murdering someone for their phone, or a rapist overpowering a child... amoral beings do monstrous things for their own convenience, that's nothing new. I "understand" their thought processes, it just disgusts me and I cannot condone it, ofc.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Garbage take. He made his choice. Here he is with Israelis waxing victim:

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    Post Malone was also there. They both chose Israel.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    How is it a garbage take to say "I understand the reasoning behind a decision he made and it was the wrong decision"?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's just not interesting to claim you understand why people did immoral things. What's next, are you going to claim that you understand the reasoning behind why nazi Germany committed the Holocaust?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Because the reasoning is false. Ed has very clearly and definitively made his choice to side with Israel.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    And it was the wrong decision. You are literally Paul Sr in the meme right now...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Thats fine, because why are you "understanding" genocide supporters? The downvotes also show a lot of people seemingly mad that I defy genocide support in all its forms. What Ed is doing is a form of support. No matter how tacit. Be mad.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    I haven't seen a single Ed Sheran image where I didn't think: "I don't think this guy likes conflict". I'm pretty sure the dude is just trying his best not to piss anyone off because he's conflict averse, I doubt he needs the money.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    why are we using a 17 year old meme to communicate?

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