We recently blacklisted some of the IP’s that our LG tv was sending data to. I can’t believe the sheer number of requests logged in just 1 week! And what’s worse is LG is even denying it now

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[–] 72 points 2 months ago (6 children)

rule #1 of connected TV: NO connection

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    We screwed the pooch on that one!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Never too late for a factory reset and a Chromecast.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    You guys are funny to think that any streaming device has any sort of ad capability is not doing the same exact type of thing.

    Also this guy thinking that that's a lot of requests being made by a single device in a week period. That's really not that many requests especially when things like ads are being served up on the device or it's got to make a request to be able to pull down updates and different things like that which it does at least ones have not several times a day as well.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Chromecast doesn't have a microphone so isn't listening to your conversations.

    But sure, get a cheap PC from Craigslist and use that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    It's funny that you're only concerned with that aspect of the LG. The request that this guy's talking about for the most part are not going to be microphone recordings or anything like that. It's literally just fetching ads back and forth if you look at the actual pages that it's trying to grab. And that's exactly what Chromecast and pretty much any of the other streaming services are doing is driving ads and fetching them back and forth.

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  • [–] 94 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Those numbers may be a little higher because you are block listing them. When it is unsuccessful, it keeps trying. Still crazy though. Have you tried simply disconnecting from your network and turning off the WiFi? I blocked mine entirely through my router and then turned off the WiFi at the TV. My overall PiHole block rate dropped significantly after that.

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    That’s true, and yeah still crazy. No, we tried this first just out of curiosity and because our kids use the apps on the television. But just completely dumbing it down will be the next step. I’m just disappointed, man. It was a new tv

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Some set top boxes are little better. Even then, some the apps get you. Netflix is awful with tracking.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    And Tubi from what I can tell! But not surprised by either

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago

    I have a LG soundbar that is connected to WiFi (for AirPlay) but has been blocked at the router level since we bought it. It has been here for years and has never stopped screaming into the void. Hundreds of times per day.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Incredible to see them thinking they have any deniability.

    Alphonso is a global technology company focused on the intersection of television media and big-data analytics. Alphonso’s patented technology and services rooted in TV data and measurement provide brands and agencies the tools they need to plan, activate, and measure rich interactive connected TV advertising.

    LG Ad Solutions, incorporated as Alphonso Inc., is a global leader in advanced advertising for Connected TV and cross-screen devices, driven by our mission to create meaningful connections between brands and their audiences. With a vast network of award-winning LG Smart TVs worldwide, we offer advertisers and content creators broad reach and targeted engagement on the largest screen in the home.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Samsung does not fall back, my tv it is by far the device that makes more dns requests ar home

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    I can only recommend everybody that has the option for it to run adguard home as a DNS server.

    It if you already have a PiHole that can do the same trick. Adguard has support for all DNS protocols and forces itself into windows and android via DoH and DoQuick.

    A friend of mine maintains a list of blocklist here: https://github.com/ppfeufer/adguard-filter-list

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I run PiHole too, but note Adguard/PiHole do not block DNS over HTTP. If these Smart TV's want to get nasty, and they already have beyond expectations, they could employ that tech or hardcore IP addresses.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    If the Smart TV uses and hardcoded http DNS server, that must be blocked directly, sure. But that scenario is very unlikely.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    They already do this. They have fallbacks, but is documented that they do this.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Gotta pull that wifi mobile out.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I think it's time ya'll start reading books again. TV sucks anyways.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago*

    Yes but books require some energy remaining in the body after work and family. A tv is great for exhausted people after their daily slave job.

    I read books on vacations simply because I have the energy and focus for it then. Rarely do it at home.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    LOT to be said for that.

    Paper ones that don't track everything you read. Old fashion paper. Browse your fav local bookstore. Or hit the library. Walk out with little stack of books. Read 'em over weeks or months. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    My LGTV from 2008 still works. I'm not sure that it knows what the internet is.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    If you blacklisted the IPs, most of those are probably retries.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Can a pi Hole fix this? Using a Samsung smart TV

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It can help, but the only thing that's guaranteed to stop data exfiltration is disconnecting the WiFi hardware completely

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    While disconnecting it (wifi and copper) completely, solves the problem, it is not the only thing that's guaranteed to work. Putting it in an isolated VLAN (or SSID for that matter) and closing down the firewall helps, too. While this certainly requires more skill than disconnecting wifi, it still allows to connect to jellyfin or the like without using additional hardware like chromecast.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    You can fix it by disconnecting the internet and plugging in your own devices.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Depends, it can autoconnect silently via open wifi networks or other tv's/iot devices that are friendly. Shitty companies will do anything to get their hand on as much data as they can.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I don't think LG does that, however you should make sure the Wi-Fi switch is off (don't just click forget) and if you're paranoid, you can physically remove the Wi-Fi board.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    LG very much tries to connect to random Wifi networks to leak your data, Gamers Nexus talks about it in their recent video.

    Here's an arstechnica article if you don't got 2 hrs to spare 😅

    Excerpt:

    YouTube channel Gamers Nexus worked with Level1Techs, a technology-focused YouTube channel, and security researchers to analyze LG TVs’ tracking capabilities. They shared packet captures that pointed to the TVs, including LG’s pricey G5 OLED TV, scanning the LAN for other devices.

    “The [G5] crawled our entire network and found dozens of unrelated devices, including smartwatches and phones of our staff who didn’t even know we were working on this,” Steve Burke, Gamers Nexus’ editor-in-chief, said.

    LG’s ad business, LG Ad Solutions, has said in recent marketing materials that it can reach 363 million “addressable secondary devices” in the US.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yes, but how many open Wi-Fi signals are around your home? If you have open Wi-Fi signals that are around your home, then that's also an issue.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    What your neighbours do is out of your control, especially if you consider the averge person living next door doesnt think about (or understand) wifi past the very first time they type the password in "to make the internet work".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    This is most of the companies out there at this point have created secure connections on almost everything. Very few connections out there are actually unsecured at this point in time. They've made them dumb easy so that way they can mother them.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    This is not an acurste way to see howvmany requests go out. Since it is blocked it well keep trying since it thinks there is something wrong.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Even so, that’s an insane amount of retries! I guess I would have thought it would retry a few times and end up in a DLQ or something. But perhaps it’s normal for IoT

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Rule 0: don't get any TV. Just get a office projector, paint your wall white or get a white cloth, get some nice sounding speakers and plug your PC to it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    When im forced to buy a new TV, I will make sure it works with no network connection at all, or I'm not buying it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I use NextDNS on my other devices but not on the LG untill now and we use it only for regular tv channels and a android mediabox via hdmi ...

    Does it help if I put Nextdns on all of them or apps like Netguard? And then block stuff?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Turn off the Wi-Fi in the settings on the LG. The antenna will still work.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Can't you just block the MAC address in your router? Or does the family like to use the built in apps?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    We mainly tried this first out of curiosity, and because the LG tv has some parental controls we use for the kids! But gonna have to find an alternative

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