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[–] 59 points 2 months ago (5 children)

You think your being funny, but i've lived in Alabama.

Not a lot of room between southern baptist and al-Qaeda.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    There's a reason I've been calling fundamentalist Christians in the US, "The Christian Taliban"

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    What a confusing time to be a non-Israeli Jew that supports the Palestinian peoples from Israeli brutality. I guess the same could be said about non-trump americans? Fuck brutality. Peace for all, regardless of political stripes.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    Yeah. The second one is genocide and (often conveniently undeclared) war.

    School shootings and ICE kidnapping innocent civilians are terrorism, though.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The funny thing is that Israel was behind both of them.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Let’s not pretend that the US is magically incapable of independently being vile, lol.

    Israel as a nation state did not exist until 1948. We were committing atrocities well before that.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Federal, state and territorial governments of the US paid bounties for the scalps of Native Americans and in some states, for Mexicans as well. There was a mass depopulation effort to make room for settlers.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    Calling the genocide in Gaza terrorism cheapens the word. What is happening in Gaza is far beyond terrorism. If not for the pictures and video evidence, it would be a natural response to not want to believe something so utterly horrible and depraved to be contemporary.

    I understand the sentiment of the meme though. It’s easy to believe what Israel is doing is righteous, if their victims are not considered human.

    How about the dead Afghani’s? Iraqi’s? They were all terrorists…really??

    Edit: Typo

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    The USA has carpet bombed entire nations, more than one, into the dust.

    They weren't all enemy combatants, either.

    Israel thinks they are in the right, just as the USA believed it was right (and Germany, Japan, UK, Russia, et al).

    I don't think they want a two-state solution, and I think the Palestinians agree, they also don't want a two-state solution. Their long-term goals are to destroy the other (from the river to the sea).

    Do all Palestinians and Jews agree? Of course not. But, the violent fundamentalists of both do agree.

    History has proven that you can totally destroy Jerusalem, and fundamentalist Islam, Jews, and Christians will be more than happy to fight over the Holy Rubble.

    How do you resolve this? The territory has been owned by Jews, Muslims, Christians; Babylon, Ottoman Empire, United Kingdom, Rome, Greeks, and more.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    the violent fundamentalists of both do agree.

    Conservatism(the tool of the Epstein class) is the real enemy. Consider that when the Obama admin was negotiating the nuclear deal with Iran, the people who fought against the deal were the conservatives in the UK, the US, Iran and Israel. They all wanted conflict instead.

    It was the liberals around the world who supported a peaceful outcome.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    Technically, terrorism is conducted by non-state actors against civilians.

    If a state does it, it is either a crime against humanity or a war crime.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    That is the legal definition. Laws written and agreed upon by representatives of states. One has to consider that it is defined that way out of self-interest. Charges of terrorism are levied against the enemies of states, which are denied the recognition and privileges of statehood, while charges of war crimes exist only to legitimize states and are levied against the losers of imperialist wars by the victors.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    As others already pointed out, there isn't really a unified agreed upon definition of terrorism, but the vast majority those definitions overlap, with small differences between them here and there.

    The probably most important part of those definitions is that the implementation of terror against your opponents has political motivations. War crimes in general on the other hand mostly don't follow this same philosophy. The only modern day example that theoretically checks both boxes at once is stuff like the Russian terror bombing of civilians (the war crime part), thinking they'll eventually bomb them into total submission and Russia will achieve their political goals (the terrorism part).

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Brown schoolchildren... Eh who cares. I want cheap gas.

    -America.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

    Terrorism is the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, to achieve political, religious, or ideological goals.

    Genocide is an international crime defined as specific acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.

    What happened in 2001 is in fact terrorism.

    What's happening in Gaza is in fact genocide.

    Both are bad one is worse. If you can't figure out which one is the worst one please reevaluate your life choices.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Genocide is also terrorism.

    Israel is committing act of genocide which is violent in the goal of extermination palestinians under the belief of the religious, policitical and ideological zionist mouvement

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I literally just gave the definitions of the two terms. They are ideologically two completely different things.

    Although I will grant that terrorism can turn into genocide.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Do you understand that an act can fit two legal definition? I literally showed in my comment why it also fit the act of terrorism

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Honestly, I don't really want to get bogged down in a semantic argument over whether particular acts committed during a genocide could also technically be described as terrorism. Both concepts describe horrific things, and I don't think anyone benefits from pretending otherwise.

    My objection is to conflating the two. A genocidal campaign can certainly contain acts that would also meet a definition of terrorism, but genocide is the more fundamental and consequential classification when the objective is the destruction of a people. Once you're talking about genocide, arguing over whether individual acts within that campaign should additionally be labeled "terrorism" feels almost beside the point.

    I'm a firm believer that precision in language matters. That's exactly why I wouldn't describe Zionists committing genocide merely as "terrorists." If the conduct constitutes genocide, I think calling it terrorism actually does them a favor by framing the conduct primarily in terms of political violence or intimidation rather than the deliberate destruction of a protected population.

    If you want to call particular acts within a genocidal campaign acts of terrorism, fine. I have no particular interest in fighting you over that distinction. They may well satisfy that description to some degree. But I don't see why I should concede that terrorism is somehow the appropriate overarching characterization when we're talking about genocide.

    We're not required to enumerate every potentially applicable offense in order to accurately describe what is happening. If someone commits a dozen crimes simultaneously, identifying the most consequential crime doesn't mean we're denying that the other crimes occurred. Sometimes the additional label simply isn't relevant to the point being discussed.

    So yes, terrorism and genocide can overlap. I just don't think terrorism is the important distinction once the conduct has crossed into genocide. Genocide is the thing that needs to remain front and center.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Terrorism is done by NGOs. When it's a governmental actor it's warcrimes.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    Wasn't 9/11 retaliation born from a coup or something to do with assad?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Afghanistan. The CIA created instability within the country arming fundamentalists that caused a nasty civil war. The point was to bait the Soviets into a quagmire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Afghanistan, Palestine, US bases in Arab lands and cruel and crippling sanctions against Iraq:

    https://www.newsweek.com/osama-bin-laden-911-letter-transcript-12427271

    "The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq," bin Laden wrote. "This is why the American people cannot be innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against us."

    If you strip out the religious speech from the declaration their reasons for doing this are pretty "rational". The religion is mostly the ideological bond between different peoples. Besides some very problematic religious repression.

    If the Americans refuse to listen to our advice ... then their fate will be that of the Soviets who fled from Afghanistan to deal with their military defeat, political breakup, ideological downfall, and economic bankruptcy.

    The larger strategy was pretty clear, draw the US into unsustainable wars that shorten their "unipolar moment" of being the only global superpower.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    You mean they didn't "hate us for our freedoms" like the Dubya administration kept telling us?

    I wonder how many people who actually thought about that line for half a minute still thought it was accurate.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I mean they do hate the "obscenities" in the west which I guess they mean gays and whatnot. But so do the christofascists that were hiding behind Bush. And it's not what really drives them, it's like just one paragraph. They wouldn't actually go to war for something like this.

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  • westure culture is built on a fake foundation that requires constant patching, manipulation, and war to keep functional. It's an insane concept. Instead of living with the universe and nature, we actively created our own system that nature and the universe is constantly breaking down. We live against the grain of universal growth.

    Native cultures warned us, Islam warns us (not western Islam), nature warns us...

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    At the time, they made a big hullabaloo about the U.S. stationing troops in Saudi Arabia, the country of the holiest sites, during and after desert shield/storm.

    I honestly don’t know what is a sincerely held belief and what is pretextual.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    the first is blow back for the second, as Chalmers Johnson said it would

    https://studylib.net/doc/27812813/johnson---blowback--2004-

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Killing civilians is terrorism.

    It doesn't matter if your delivery system is a suicide bomber or a drone or a manned aircraft... or (to cite a bonified terror weapon) a railroad gun used to siege cities.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (20 children)

    Fun Fact: Every act of genocide ever commited in human history has been done exclusively by conservatives.

    Conservatives are truly, deeply evil. Disown them.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Settler colonialism is genocidal by nature, guesssseug and what the Israeli liberal did genocidal acts

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (9 children)

    Many, many Israelis are conservatives. How do you not know that? Wait. You do know that. You're just being dishonest for some reason.

    Also, the opposite of conservative is progressive, not liberal. For example, neo-liberals like Chuck Schumer and Ronald Reagan are not progressive. They are conservative. The More You Know...

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Olmert is liberal, Barack is liberal, Rabin, was liberal none support a totally independent Palestinian state. As much as I hate Conservatives they are not the only supporter of Genocide. Let's not talk about the liberal West who, supporter Israel with weapons

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (7 children)

    Everyone you just mentioned is NOT progressive. You are only strengthening my position.

    Modern "liberals" like Hakeem Jeffries or Gavin Newsom will pretend to be progressive by loudly supporting a few progressive policies while leaning right on everything else. It's almost like they are conservatives in sheep's clothing. And "centrists" (dishonest conservatives) point at these fake progressives and say "See?! That person is the opposite of a conservative!" That's the deception you are trying to use here. Progressives are not fooled by that.

    It sounds like you either don't know what progressivism is, or you are pathological in your need to lie about it. Whatever the case is, you walk and talk the same as a conservative for some strange reason.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    They are all from centrists liberals parties . It is a lazy answer to pretend some people are not what they are because it disapprove your argument .

    Is Carney also a fake liberal for you? He also said he support a zionists palestine and he lied about ending arms sale to Israel so they continue the genocide

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Again, you strengthen my position. Carney is NOT a progressive. And what is a "fake liberal"? Wtf are you on about?

    You are just tossing word salad at a wall at this point. Trying to be as confusing as possible is also a conservative (AKA "centrist") debate strategy that does not fool progressives.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Carney is a liberal and support a colonial genocidal, power called Israel

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Glad you are able to see that a liberal is not a progressive.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    A liberal is not a Conservative either. I don't know why you mentionned progressism. I never talked about it in this post

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Conservatives are pathological liars. They call themselves centrists to try to sound like a normal person. You do not fool progressives with your constant deception and intentionally misused words.

    Liberals can absolutely be conservatives. Every establishment liberal Democrat today is a conservative. A liberal conservative is called a neo-liberal. A few examples are Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Chuck Schumer, Gavin Newsom and Hakeem Jeffries.

    There can be no debate with a conservative because all conservatives are violent, dishonest narcissists and pathological liars. The time for debate ended over a decade ago. The time for deleting fascists is upon us.

    Conservatives in the U.S. have decided that there can be no peaceful coexistence. Industrial scale extermination of conservatives has been made perfectly legal by conservatives themselves. Conservatives in the U.S. have removed the regulations designed to protect their own water, food and air. Don't think the normal people who want you gone didn't notice that. It doesn't take much to give tens of thousands of conservatives at a time multiple myeloma without ever breaking a single law.

    The die is cast. Get off our planet.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I know that conservatives lie and pretend to be centrist but Carney is definitely not a conservatives, he is a liberal and an even more obvious liberal is Trudeau. Here in Quebec we have the PQ who are conservatives and act like centrists using same rhetoric as Trump from complaining about woke to blaming everything on the immigrants.

    You don't to tell me how terrible conservatives are I know but stop pretending like they are the only group supporting genocide

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    That's right. The Soviets for example, are very well known today for spearheading the revolution against that evil far-left Russian Empire thing and we're extremely lucky they ultimately won. Who knows what could've happened to all those small non-Russian minorities in furure decades, if Lenins' movement didn't step in!

    (do we do the /s thing here too? lol)

    And NO, I'm not a conservative, before someone starts screeching. I'm a centrist trying to appreciate the good parts from both of the extremes, while spitting on the bad. That is my ideology. So here I'm just trying to bring back a bit of that grey almost everyone apparently has completely forgotten existed, making the mainstream discourse almost exclusively black and white.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    "I'm a centrist..."

    So you admit you are a conservative. No one in today's political landscape calls themselves a centrist unless they are slightly right of Hitler. Progressives are not fooled by that word.

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  • [+] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    So much horrible shit was done in the name of religion xyz. Does that make the religion inherently bad

    That's one reason, yes.

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    I see you are one of those smooth brained pricks

    Is such incivility really necessary?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Still strange for you to support that person though.

    Hmm, I find it strange that you came to the conclusion I was supporting "that person".

    Please consider that you might have an itchy trigger finger.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Lol, stupid liberal thinks he made a valid point

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Please explain to me (in detail, ideally), which part wasn't valid. Do you seriously think we're gonna move anywhere, ever, if we don't drop the never ending black and white narratives?

    (or are you referring to OP of the comment, I'm in my bed with a pretty serious concussion, so if that's the case, my bad)

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    What's that second image? This being a meme I suppose it is either Palestine or Iran - in both cases I'd argue it isn't terrorism. It sure is equally horrifying at least, but not every (mass)-killing is terrorism. It, if my assumption is right, both is killing of civilians. Or by legal definition, non-combatants. Targeting non-combatants is illegal according to international law. Not that any of these perpetrators care, but not holding them accountable is the real terror imo.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's Gaza.

    If you don't think destroying all the hospitals, water infrastructure, schools, and nearly every building in what is effectively a concentration camp is terrorism... You had better be calling it a genocide

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Yeah i do consider what is happening in Gaza a genocide. My pont is that there is a definition connected to words like genocide and terrorism, and in that sense the images are not displaying the same thing. Sure, they are both horrible; but if the bottom image is Gaza than that is not terrorism, just like the attack on 9/11 wasn't conventional warfare. I get that the meme is going for 'when they do it, it's horrible; when we do it, it's fine', and OP is right; both are horrible and both caused a lot of suffering. Those responsible need to be held accountable.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    Americans were terrorists (not an army, but a militia, when fighting King George).

    Terrorism doesn't even have to kill people (though it often does).

    also, genocide doesn't even have to kill anybody (though it often does).

    War kills, no exceptions. It's rarely, if ever, military targets only.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    The top one is political violence. The bottom one is state terrorism.

    The.primary state terrorists today are the US and israel

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    How come Hamas is not in your list?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Hamas is an anti colonial resistance movement.

    The terrorists are the Zionist child killers who have stolen Palestine from it's inhabitants

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    It were the Zionists that orchestrated a 2 week long jew hunt in Amsterdam, November 2024.

    It were the Zionists that attacked Israel on the 7th October 2023 to give Netanyahu the Casus Belli for the topic of this discussion.

    It were the Zionists that wasted tens of billions of aid funds in Gaza for war and suppression, rather than their own people.

    It were the Zionists that attempted to kill the kings of Jordan and Egypt.

    It were the Zionists that threw Lebanon in to a civil war.

    The Palestinian people their worst enemy, are the Palestinian people.

    Only 1 country in that region has all 3 Abrahemic religions living within their borders, how come? Please explain how the Zionists did that?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    "Jew hunt in Amsterdam" you mean when Maccabi Tel Aviv racists chanting "there are no schools in Gaza because all the children are dead " and "death to Arabs" had their asses handed to them by locals?

    You freaks are always the victims

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    that is such a nonsensical argument

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago

    It makes perfect sense.

    Palestinian terrorists initially claimed responsibilty for the attack. Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank were celebrating the 9/11 attack en masse.

    It is a perfect argument to use the 9/11 memory to defend the Palestinian cause.

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