I learned decades ago to do the same with book series.

I’m still mad about Santa Clarita Diet

Yeah Kaos was the last blow to me, especially being it sounds like everyone involved in that really enjoyed it, it was the numer 1 show at the time, and the next two parts were already outlined and ready to shoot with an actual ending already in mind.

Netflix proved with Kaos that there is no actual logic behind their content decisions

not just netflix, every streaming service/studio does that now.

I really like the artist/author Brian K Vaughn. Millions of people do. One of the best selling authors of graphic novels that exists.

Just finished reading "Y: The Last Man", oh, there's a TV show?.... canceled after one season....

"Paper Girls"?..... canceled after one season...

If they try to tell me that "Saga" is in the works for a TV adaptation (which... fucking good luck) I would hardly be exited for it. Because why get my hopes up? The books are amazing anyways. The art is beautiful in the way it was illustrated. The only advantage a TV show has ever given is being able to easily share the story with family and watch together.

I don't know if it's true but I read somewhere that Netflix cancels a lot of shows after 3 seasons because there are things in the contracts where people get paid more to make the show after three seasons.

I do that with all series. I watched Breaking Bad shortly after the last episode aired, and did so with all series ever since. I have a list of series I want to watch, but they will wait until they are done.

I don't watch half of a movie either, why would I watch half of a series.

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that seems irrelevant to this issue. this is about people who do initially watch that lose interest.

I should do that and also start waiting for the first critics to complain, because I'm still pissed about the first Netflix Avatar season and the second one got me riled up as well.

I mean I will probably still watch the third one, but ... I don't know. I have absolutely no clue how to cope with this.

Netflix, what the fuck are you doing? You were the chosen one. The light bringer!

Oh, wait...

more than 8 episodes. started in september ended around may. so like around 25 episodes. just give me 25 episodes every year of something like tv shows used to be. new season every year. it shouldn't be hard we had that for years before netflix.

Yeah but this 8 episode season has a bigger budget than all the 90s shows together so if it gets fewer than 4 billion viewers the first week it airs the show gets canceled.

Literally all you had to do was go to a Stranger Things subreddit/facebook group literally any time between seasons (2-3, etc.) and you'd have novellas-worth of proof.

I'm guessing the investigation was to determine how strong the effect is, to see how much money is worth spending to avoid the issue?

I saw a study the other day explaining that people that learned how to swim at some point in their life are statistically less likely to drown.

Re The Orville,

As I understand he's now at least written all the episodes for the next season, now it's just a matter of getting everything together (the equally hard part).

I thought he would stick with The Orville on a regular basis, but maybe once you achieve your dream it's easy to start looking at other projects.

Paramount called his bluff on the Ted live action series (he would only do it if they could have movie level budget for CGI Ted, and they did, for two seasons at least). So I think he jumped at that since it seemed like a limited time offer.

Plus now he's diving back into animation with a Stewie spin-off show and a Ted animated show.

I do hope we get Orville season 4 someday, especially with Star Trek coming to an end (for now).

I think you underestimate how much the average person loves to consume utter trash media.

Yeah I remember always browsing Netflix and seeing the same shit that I had no interest in showing up every time I looked for a show to watch. Shit that I was purposefully ignoring for months and months. But then I learn about an interesting show somewhere else, search for it on Netflix, and find a good show has been somewhere in the shadows the entire time with 4+ seasons and I had never come across it a single time while browsing forever and never finding anything to watch.

It seems almost everybody is pissed off at them for cancelling something. It's not a novel thing to say at this point, but I don't bother with their originals any more.

This

Its an obvious thing and I've stopped watching countless shows because it took years to get to the next season of just only 10 over produced episodes

Those that I did watch, it took me half of those episodes yo just get back into it again, and quite a few I just dropped out before I got to that half because of course you're completely out of it

Then the 10 episodes... Give me back the 24 45 minutes episodes, PLEASE. I want the filler bottle episodes as many of the best episodes are bottle shows. The few over produced episodes are typically lots of bowwow, fireworks and bling bling fun spectacles, but they're rarely the best episodes.

Care? I've forgotten the series even exists after 1 year.

Well they're certainly being written so people on their phones can understand them.

The shitty writing is also hurting Netflix viewership. As is cancelling shows that are well written and have a fanbase just because you have to pay the actors and staff more after 3 seasons.

mostly because of bigger budgets making scheduling harder. higher profile actors, bigger crews, potential location filming, more time required for effects and post production.

I also heard writing takes longer because it has to be refined and tightened to fit in shorter seasons.

covid and writers strike also made everything worse for a while.

and part of it is probably intentional trying to milk the golden goose for as long as possible. apologies for the mixed metaphor.

Broadcast/cable TV had a schedule to fill. More than anything else, they needed to fill time slots. They planned around a calendar so annual seasons were only natural. That's also why they tended to have longer seasons, because it's easier to keep viewers coming back on schedule when they are already interested in a show. Plus it's cheaper to to make one long show than two short shows. It leads to brutal production schedules and massive creative compromises, but it fills airtime and that's what counts.

In other words, the economics of old school TV were about filling time while maximizing ratings and minimizing costs, which incentivizes making a smaller number of shows with longer seasons and regular releases.

Streaming has very different incentives. They don't care about filling a schedule, they just want you to subscribe. Every new show is a potential draw, and the more titles they have the more likely it is that one of them will appeal to you. They are incentivized to fill their catalog, not their calendar. As such, there's nowhere near as much pressure to churn out seasons like clockwork. If anything, they probably get more bang for their buck by waiting longer between seasons so that the release of each season is more of an event.

Hell, it doesn't even matter that much if it hurts the show in the long run. As long as they keep getting subscribers and have new shows (or popular old shows) to pull people in, they don't really care if an existing show dies.

I think it all comes down to netflix not greenlighting layer seasons until the previous one did well, and they release them complete. This means that by the time they decide to do a later season the whole team is working on other stuff.

Basically Netflix is handling business like a tech-bro company without stock, rather than a tv production company.

the silicon valley philosophy is toxic and stupid even for tech, for art/entertainment is basically leprosy.