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[–] 44 points 2 months ago* (11 children)

Bloody hell. So much merging and switching of lanes. There would broken bits of car everywhere. The only upside would be the ability of bikes to go past the gridlock that would happen at a certain density of traffic. Also, why do so many people in the animation need to U-turn?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    Came to say the same thing. So many lane changes needed in a short distance. People suck at merging at the best of times. This is a panel beater's wet dream. That 'engineer' needs to go back to school.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    This is why engineers need to go outside and experience the real world like the rest of us.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I've spent a fair proportion of my life around civil, structural, mechanical and process engineers, and found them to be some of the most pragmatic, sensible, intelligent and practical people you'll even meet. The shit they design needs to work, or people die. Whoever designed this is not one of those people.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    I've spent a fair portion of my professional career working for engineers of various types. The issue lies with the people who assume their intense knowledge of their chosen field of study means that they are experts in all fields of human existence. This pomposity leads to the stereotypical engineer who gets trapped into CAD models that don't translate to the real world and get belligerent when that gets pointed out. Certainly I've met engineers who aren't like that, but the stereotype exists for a reason. Perhaps it's Electrical engineers that are the worst? I meet a lot of them.

    Retired school teachers are another problematic customer who knows more than any seasoned journeyman.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I've always heard that in civil engineering the ones who design parking lots are the worst of them, based on the results we see in the world. Maybe this was from one of them accidentally handed something outside their normal work.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That’s how you go left. Basically the same as a Michigan left.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    The people uturning are just trying to go straight lol. They have to turn right, merge left, u turn, merge right, and turn right, in order to go straight. Others are trying to turn left which here involves a u turn, merge right, turn right.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    This design is an abomination really, there'd be so many accidents around the merging, where the traffic streams effectively have to swap over.

    Because, you know, cars and car infrastructure don't already take up massive amounts of space as is.

    The only defence of this is that it would take LESS space than some kind of cloverleaf system. I think this whole design is trying to be space efficient whilst attemptign to keep traffic flowing (which it wouldn't do).

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Making it so most of the traffic is in a merging state is a really bad idea. So many accidents happen because of people changing lanes, and here a large part of the traffic needs to do that, plus has little space and time to do it in. I'd love to see this made in something like City Skylines, just to show how bad it gets (without the car accidents, though, unless newest versions also simulate that).

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    and here a large part of the traffic needs to [change lanes]

    Only if you make a right turn you dont have to merge, but then there is still a lane merging into yours. So a (very) large part of the traffic has to change lanes, but everybody is merging. If you want to drive straight, you have to merge twice. Total madness.

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  • [–] 68 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    @destructdisc LOL, this is like a very fucked up roundabout. It takes way more space and is way more dangerous.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    As if normal roundabouts didn't already take up enough space.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    That’s why the UK has magic roundabouts, like Swindon’s

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Are accidents being counted per day or per hour over there?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    This site mentions 14 major and ~100 minor accidents over the past 25 years, so I'd assume they count them per year.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    […] a surprisingly low number given the junction's complexity and heavy usage. This paradox suggests that the very complexity that makes drivers nervous might actually be its greatest safety feature, forcing everyone to approach with extreme caution.

    It’s almost like making the road harder to navigate make drivers slow down similar to crimping the road.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago

    This only works if drivers take the u-turns at full speed. The first driver slows down to 10 km/h for the u-turn, and the whole thing gets backed up to the point merging is impossible, and it becomes worse than a 4-way light.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Around my area we have combination highway on ramps and exits where the lane for getting on immediately becomes the next exit. They are incredibly stressful and dangerous given just a tiny bit of traffic, everybody is frantically trying to merge on and off a short strip and accidents happen all the time. This intersection turns the entire road into that design lmao, they're off their ass if they really think this design is any good

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This is just a flattened highway interchange.

    Also, holy shit so many combination enter/exit lanes, so many potential points of high-velocity conflict!

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    What do these folks have against roundabouts?

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This is just a roundabout with a way for drivers to bail out and turn around before entering the roundabout

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    Because fuck pedestrians, right?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    That's just a big roundabout

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    So a roundabout for Americans?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    This looks like something RealCivilEngineer would do for a bit, lol. I think I see a bit of the strongest shape in there.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Those 180° turns look way too tight for semi-trailer trucks. Even the vans are drifting there.

    And all those single lanes, merging, and tight turns are a recipe for congestion.

    A proper roundabout would work much better, waste less concrete, and probably take up less space.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Thoughtful of them to provide extra U turns so that people approaching this monstrosity can nope the fuck out.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago*

    Already exists in better.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    This would gridlock so fast. Actually I think it would gridlock so incredibly hard that cars would end up abandoned after they ran out of gas from how long they were stuck.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    This looks like hell...

    It's only one lane of traffic either way and you've got to merge in and out of two separate traffic flows in a short distance just to go 'straight' through to the other side.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Well this is a very roundabout way of getting places

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    looks to be firmly 'in theory'

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    It’s wonderful yes but relies on people leaving space to allow zippering.

    Unfortunately everyone is a bastard and goes bumper to bumper.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Seen from a traffic planning perspective, these lane changes alone would cause more incidents than 10% of drivers running a red light crossing.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    I used to commute an hour to work every day, each way, and the worst part was cross-merging traffic, exactly like there are 4 of in this design.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    This was obviously designed with the assumption that people know how to drive without getting in one another's way.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Median U-Turn (MUT) Intersection?

    …and yes they are as confusing as they look.

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    [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    This is not traffic free. This does not account for the vast majority of people who don't know how to drive or merge on a highway. This would fail every real world trial. It can be said there is some beauty in its arrogance though.

    Edit: this is clearly (hopefully) satire given those U turns of death in the middle of a highway interchange that cannot be used by the one thing that needs it the most for this to be commercially viable: semi trucks.

    Edit 2: I just noticed this isn't an interstate highway intersection but just your regular ol state road intersection. I ate the onion... I hope it was satire at least.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    summarizes american infrastructure: needlessly massive, dangerous, and helps absolutely fucking no one.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I'm 90% sure this is just Detroit.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    if only our world is not 2d, then we could have overpasses and tunnels...

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I could see this as a replacement for a highway interchange/cloverleaf. Are we sure it's not intended for that?

    As a replacement for a 4-way stoplight intersection, yeah this is nuts.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    If this were a highway, you'd have to cut the speed limit in half as people try to merge and possibly shift lanes after making a u-turn and only have a very short distance to get back up to speed. This kind of design looks like it'd only work at very low speeds or density, at which point you might as well just use a roundabout.

    Edit: also it looks like you need about 6 lanes of space (2 in either direction and 4 for turning around, including an extra wide radius so you can go faster then 10 mph) all to effectively support 2 actual lanes of traffic.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Throughput would be ass. Clover is good because you keep all lane changes on the rightmost lane while keep the two straight-on at full speed, diagram only has one direction full speed.

    A turbo roundabout is what a sane person would use in this situation. Does the same thing with a lot less space.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    The gif is kinda soothing to watch if you don't know the context behind it. Then I read the post title and now the gif is nauseating to look at.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Why not just elevate one of the roads and have an exit/entrance for anyone who wants to switch? Having to turn right, merge, fucking u-turn, then immediately merge again just to GO STRAIGHT is the stupidest fucking thing.

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