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[–] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

stallman was right all along I'm going back to the cathedral, everyone can go to hell

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    AI can be useful for developers, but I still think someone needs to check what it produces

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    [–] 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    Well, what exactly did the AI do?

    If Linus said, "fix the kernel" and the LLM generated 1,000 lines of code that he dropped in, saw it was working, and called it a day, then that would be a problem.

    If Linux said, "Where is the problem?" and LLM told him and then he fixed it himself, that's not a problem.

    I don´t have a problem with LLM even generating code, I have a problem with programmers not understanding their craft and publishing code they don't fully understand.

    The problem is that practically you need to take a hard line because how are you supposed whether something is unexamined slop or if it's been fully understood by a human? The only way to be sure a human understood it is to be sure a human wrote it, so blanket generative AI bans make sense.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    In this case it’s a two line change: change to round down instead of round up. I suppose it’s the latter where the AI assisted him in identifying which line should be changed.

    https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/818bebeb63dd6bf5f4e07e145f6cdbace520a34c

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Absolutely unacceptable. I'm downloading Haiku right now.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago

    Here is a more detail article about what actually happened

    https://www.xda-developers.com/linus-torvalds-fixed-a-linux-bug-using-ai-highlighting-both-the-strengths-and-weaknesses-of-the-new-tech/

    It sounds like AI helped find the issue and write NOTES about it, but Linus explains he basically had to force the AI assistant because it kept on giving up. Linus wrote the fix himself.

    I'd like to call it my tireless helper, but the AI several times stated flat out that this was impossible and unsolvable and that we should just write a report about it. I suspect those things have been trained by people who may not be quite as stubborn as I am.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago

    Headline is a neuron activation lightning rod. Torvalds used the model to debug, the code is a one word fix he probably wrote himself.

    This is the actual commit:

    https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/818bebeb63dd6bf5f4e07e145f6cdbace520a34c

    It fixes a goof where Intel Xe drivers allocate a few kb of memory that is used by the system during boot that causes the video to stop working. The fix is round_down() the memory allocation instead of round_up() the memory allocation. That's pretty much the entire code change. round_up() -> round_down(). The commit message makes a lot of sense, and this bug is something you'd be spending a lot of time on manually debugging due to how insidiously subtle it is. Torvalds used the AI model to help debug the problem, but I'm pretty sure a one word change in code is not an AI generated code... and if changing one word is what the AI really did in the end, where do you draw the line at copyright? Challenging the copyright of individual words is impossible to enforce, because the word is used everywhere.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    Jesus this seems like a psyop to fuck with us.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Since Linus spends most of his time reviewing changes to the code in the kernel, he's probably one of the few people I'd trust to have properly vetted any AI code he used.

    That being said, since you have no idea what code was scraped to generate the fix, it seems to me that it might not be able to be licensed under the GPL, though I'm no lawyer.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Reading these comments I have to contend that the halo effect is indeed powerful.

    IMO it's immoral to use LLM's for any and every purpose and I think every slopper should be called out; no matter how accomplished they are.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I agree with your view but I also wonder if it's misguided. If we were to use it as a tool, but the tool was made of parts that are immoral does that taint everything about it? I use a phone and a calculator, both are made with metals that are mined in dangerous conditions by exploited laborers. A pixel phone and Gemini AI are both products of google, wouldn't either be enough to discredit a user?

    There's no ethical consumption under capitalism (derogatory)

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Perfect is the enemy of good. Just because every consumption choice cannot be ethical, doesn't mean none of them should be.

    I am condemning Linus and others like him because the choice to not use LLMs isn't a difficult one to make. You only lose a little comfort. So when you choose to trade everything shitty that LLM usage necessitates for a little comfort, just as Linus likes to say, you can go fuck yourself.

    EDIT: Grammar

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    We already knew linus was pro-ai

    Remember he said "trust me bro" /s /ns

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I guess Linux is turning into AI slop as well. God it feels like everything we hold dear is under attack these days. Is BSD any better or are they sycophantic AI bros too?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Well, it's clear you don't understand what actually happened here.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Linus Torvalds creator and contributor to Linux is warming up to AI. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Then how did he use it? Did he just tell his AI to spit out some code and use it? Or, did he tell it to find errors for him to fix? You can hate AI all you want, but at least get your information straight.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    AI tech bro spotted.

    It doesn't fucking matter actually. AI is just as bad at finding the root cause of an issue as it is generating code.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You don't need to be a tech bro to be able to read. Something you can't seem to be bothered to do. It's also clear you aren't worth trying to have a conversation with.

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    [–] 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

    The title is pure clickbait, but the article is nuanced and reasonably well written, IMO.

    No one wants a freaking Ubuntu chatbot on their desktop, but code submission is an entirely different issue, and I think "the submitter is entirely responsible for their code" is a very reasonable position.

    And obviously, LLM-generated code policy needs to be tuned to each project and their contributor community. As an example not cited in the article, vibe-coded PRs are an ongoing plague for llama.cpp, an LLM inference engine itself, so they blanket ban them. Ironic, and perfectly reasonable. But Linus researching that Intel bug with a little help, but using his brain for the legwork and actual submission, is also reasonable.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    I think “the submitter is entirely responsible for their code” is a very reasonable position.

    Especially since I just don't see how it's possible to fully prevent people from using AI if they want to use it. Yes a lot of code might be more obvious and could be rejected with an "absolutely no AI policy" but some people will submit perfectly good code where AI was involved in some way.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Yes, that too.

    Incentivizing hiding LLM use would be a problem. Encouraging disclosure is good.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Plus if the general requirement is 'high quality code' then that automatically excludes the majority of LLM usage where people just vibe code it and rely heavily on the LLM to do the work. VS someone writing their own code while using an LLM to help find problems.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago*

    Well... IMO, there's a whole spectrum between "very rare LLM brianstorming/troubleshooting" and "I don't know how to code" vibe-coding, and Im not sure what the distribution looks like.

    Personally, I get LLMs to generate boilerplate, formatting, and functions, but manually write plenty and audit/assemble all the pieces myself. But I would not call myself a vibecoder; I loathe vibe coding.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    There is too broad a group covered by "LLM Critics". Maybe "Now hardliner LLM critics"? Idk. But fucking Sam Altman and Jenson are "LLM critics" sometimes and they probably paid for this article lol, so I doubt they are facing a dilemma about the news

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Are you asking for a poem, or suggesting the BeOS based OS?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    I think you'll find that even distros that are generally anti-AI and don't allow its use in their own projects are pragmatic about not being able to influence other people's software (for instance, Gentoo's AI policy flat-out states that it doesn't prohibit packaging AI-coded or AI-related software, although there's been some discussion about marking it so that the user can make an informed decision).

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The choice isn't uncomfortable. It's a need for a hard fork from Linus that's always been present, and now is just more obvious because 2026 really is the year of mainstream FOSS OS use.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Ok great.

    So fork it yourself.

    If you can't handle progress, then you shouldn't force everyone else to comply.

    Even Linus knows how the real world works.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    I would like to see both anti-AI and "slop 'em up!" forks of Linux, mostly to see which one fails first.

    My hypothesis is that the anti-AI one would fail first because the slop-em-up one would end up with bots just copying a bunch of fixes from mainline Linux.

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    [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    What is wrong with this comment section

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    And this was a debug session from hell, enormously helped by an AI doing much of the grunt-work.

    i feel this in my soul since i'm the only one responsible for an abandoned code base with only a part time fresh graduate too inexperienced to help -- i've lost track of the number of rabbit holes that would have been impossible without gemini.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Many people have contibuted to linux. Linus is a boomer turd looking for the spotlight. He is washed up. He a sloppy boy! I no longer care what he has to say. Yeet kill your idols

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    🤣 This comment needs more slang and buzzwords.

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    [+] -6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I contacted my bank last week and i had to 'speak' to an llm before i was put in touch with someone who used way too many exlaimation points, they basically don't have a phone line anymore. I've given up on avoiding ai at this point

    I installed deep seek on my phone and asked iy some questions based on what ive been working on, and in ten minutes it gave me information i'd worked out over three weeks

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