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[–] 38 points 2 months ago*

This is like saying “murder is bad.”

  • Murder is usually defined as an illegal killing. However, many legal killings are bad and many illegal killings are good. For example, it was illegal to kill Nazis in Germany circa 1940, but it wasn’t immoral.

Context.

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  • [–] 107 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

    The problem is that an upvote and a downvote completely lack context.

    Racism is bad: true

    Physical violence is worse than verbal violence IF all else is equal : true

    Therefore....

    Physical racism is worse than verbal racism.

    But physical violence is not necessarily worse than verbal racism. This is why context matters.

    And that's why it's ok to punch Nazis.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Yes, when I see posts identical to this it's usually in the context of "left wing antifa violence is more common than right wing violence." Which makes me wary enough of this post already.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    Reddit votes are about relevance not agreement.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago* (10 children)

    I am ignorant, please help me understand. Is violence not worse?

    Is it a sort of psyhological violence that is worse?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Judging by the response to OOP, I’d guess the original context was somebody punching a racist or something. IE if my guess is right OOP is saying [anti-racist] violence is worse than [racist] words, which explains the negative reaction

    If anyone has a source for this to confirm/deny it’d be appreciated tho

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  • [–] 36 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I think its more that the racist words and racists violence are not two seperate entities that can be tackled independently

    And thats what the person is attempting to do, essentially cut one head off the hydra knowing 2 more will emerge

    The common link is not just the words, its not just the violence, its that and the infinite spectrum of ramnifications of people thinking there are greater and lesser people than themselves

    Yes violent acts are worse than verbal acts Traumas should not be compared, all victems are valid, and words can be used violently.

    But racism is bigger than words and violence, and saying "oh the racist violence is worse than the racist words, so we should be focusing in on the violence" is ignorant, and purposefully looks for a tree so as to not see the forest.

    Racism is born of generational societal systemic levels of suffering - it requires generational societal systemic levels of healing to reduce its harm.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I imagine the poster was arguing against punching Nazis.

    Which come on, no people were ever hurt by punching Nazis.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago*

    Racism isn't just verbal. It is violent and deadly. Racist violence is just as deserving of being considered violence. Racism is often violent. It should not be categorized as a thing you can compare to violence because racism is also violent.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    How to spot the racist? They try to draw a distinction here.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    OP, are you complaining here that Reddit downvoted you for saying someone punching a Nazi is worse than a Nazi?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's much easier to commit violence against a person you consider to be subhuman the way racists do. Same for 'misogyny is bad but violence worse' like people who consider women property aren't violent against them.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Punch Nazis every day. Remember Fascists are not people.

    It's kinda like the paradox of tolerance, the moment you're intolerant you lose people being tolerant of you.

    The second you start unpersonining people, you become an unperson.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I'm just waiting for some genius to come and try to "iamverysmart" you and be like "Aren't you being hypocritical by saying the fascists aren't people?" just completely missing the point, LMAO.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Oh I know, that's the "Completely missing the point" part. I'm saying I can't wait for some member of the brain trust to try to argue hypocrisy when it's not hypocritical at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    My point is: I don't even waste time with asking whether or not fascists are people (dehumanizing people is a different sort of hole you don't want to fall into, lest you turn into what you strive to fight...).
    Fascists are a prime example of the Paradox of Tolerance and have to be treated accordingly.
    You're right, but I suggest: don't get trapped in side issues ;)

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, but what about racist violence?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    It's reddit. 🤷

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    no-context screenshot = assume downvotes are justified

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Sounds are physical movements that strike your eardrum (unless we're talking bone induction). Loud enough sounds (words) can also be physical violence.

    (Seriously, though. Emotional violence is a thing, and it's bad too)

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago*

    racism is peaceful and nonviolent? What are lynchings? Just racists doing peaceful non violent racism? Why reward thinking lynchings aren't a real racist occurrence that still happens by upvoting that dumb comment?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This gives charlie Kirk vibes

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Ah the old "Racisism is bad, but it's not that bad so that makes it okay."

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    This is bullshit, since racism leads to violence.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Unless said words are "they are eating the dogs the people that came in there," "they are eating the dogs, the people that came in there," in which case it incites, somehow succesfully, acts of physical violence against other races.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    "Actual violence" thats what the downvotes are about.

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